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Grossly Overweight? - Next time pay for two seats!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:39 pm
by dales
http://www.cnn.com/2011/11/25/travel/pa ... index.html


A travel nightmare: Man stands throughout 7-hour flight


By Dominique Debucquoy-Dodley, CNN

updated 12:45 PM EST, Sat November 26, 2011


(CNN) -- Air travelers usually are prepared for the occasional hectic and overcrowded flight. But all are hoping they'll at least be able to sit down.

Arthur Berkowitz, 57, stood for the length of his US Airways flight in July after a fellow passenger occupied half of his seat. The non-stop flight from Anchorage to Philadelphia lasted seven hours.

"I didn't fly from Alaska to Philadelphia," Berkowitz said on consumer advocate Christopher Elliott's blog, Elliott.org. "I stood."

CNN recently reported on the extensive flight delays that travelers experienced during last month's snowstorm. JetBlue has begun reimbursing those customers for their eight-hour tarmac waits, and Berkowitz feels US Airways should do more to address the issue of his extended standing.

He initially had an empty seat next to him on Flight 901, but a late passenger sat there and took more space than he paid for.

US Airways: "If there was a safety issue -- we will address that professionally and with the proper attention toward preventing it from happening again. "

"His size required both armrests to be raised up and allowed for his body to cover half of my seat," Berkowitz said.

The man was very polite and expressed regret over the situation, said Berkowitz, who notified the flight crew that he was unable to fasten his seat belt and asked if he could move to business class.

As the flight was filled to capacity, and as passengers are not permitted to sit in the flight attendants' jump seats, Berkowitz found himself strolling through the cabin for hours. Flight attendants apparently asked him to remain seated and fasten his seat belt, but he said the co-passenger was seated on his seat belt fastener, making this impossible.

That meant that, though he did manage to wedge himself into his seat for the takeoff and landing, he was unable to comply with the requirement that his seat belt be fastened at those times.


Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Kathleen Bergen told CNN that it also is against regulations to stand for an entire flight and that passengers are always encouraged to remain in their seats.

US Airways issued a statement saying it recognizes the inconvenience of the situation. "We all understand how sensitive a subject passengers of size can present, but we should never compromise safety and we need every passenger to help us ensure that every flight operates safely by complying with those crew members' instructions."

When the plane landed, Berkowitz said, he immediately contacted a US Airways agent who referred him to the company headquarters in Phoenix. Though the airline offered him a $200 voucher for his trouble, Berkowitz said, he did not accept it.

After months of unsuccessful communication, he said, he went to the FAA, which notified him that US Airways considered the matter closed. CNN could not independently confirm the details.

Although he is disappointed at the amount he was offered, Berkowitz said, his motivation for speaking out now is not financial.

"My reason for bringing this up is strictly and solely for the airline to look at their safety procedures," he told CNN.

Although US Airways expresses regret over the situation, the airline does feel the matter has been resolved and that Berkowitz's concerns have been noted.

"We have attempted to address this customer's service concerns, but offering increasing amounts of compensation based on a threat of a safety violation isn't really fair -- especially when the passenger himself said he didn't follow the crew members' instructions and fasten his seat belt," US Airways said in a written statement. "If there was a safety issue -- we will address that professionally and with the proper attention toward preventing it from happening again. We have already provided feedback on the service issues with the team involved, and thank Mr. Berkowitz for making his concerns known."

Some airlines have policies in place to handle issues with "passengers or customers of size." According to its website, Southwest Airlines requires customers who do not fit in their seats (which are 17 inches wide) to purchase an extra seat before boarding, but will refund them for the seat if the flight is not full. AirTran, which is being purchased by Southwest, has the same policy. Continental and United require passengers to be able to lower their armrests and fasten their seat belt with no more than one seat belt extender. Delta requires that passengers lower their armrests and fasten their seat belt with no extenders. Passengers may be required to purchase an additional seat if they fall outside of this protocol.

US Airways has a policy that allows for extenders, or booking the passenger on a later flight. If neither is possible, the passenger may be charged for an additional seat. Berkowitz's grievances extend to the gate crew members who didn't do more to follow this policy.

Re: Grossly Overweight? - Next time pay for two seats!

Posted: Sat Nov 26, 2011 6:56 pm
by BoSoxGal
I recently read a bunch on this subject and believe the airlines really need to address it consistently.

17 inches is quite narrow even for a broad shouldered man of healthy weight. Very few morbidly obese people will fit in that space.

I'm outside healthy weight range at present, due to hormonal changes following my 1st surgery and months of limited exercise following my 2nd surgery. Still, I have a petite frame and carry much of the extra weight in my chest, so can still fit in the airline seat 'comfortably' (those seats aren't comfortable even for the stick thin).

On my recent return flight from NY, I was seated next to an obese woman on the last leg from Denver to Montana. She encroached into my seat, and I spent the flight jammed up against the window. Luckily it's a fairly short flight, because as it was, I was stiff and sore from the awkward angle after just a few hours.

Given the rate of obesity in the US, the airlines either need to widen the seats, or to actually enforce the policy on purchasing an extra seat consistently.

Re: Grossly Overweight? - Next time pay for two seats!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:40 am
by Gob
Wasn't there a case where an person trapped by an obese passenger ended up with DVT?

Re: Grossly Overweight? - Next time pay for two seats!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:52 am
by Scooter
That they have the fucking gall to accuse the guy complaining of refusing to follow their instructions, when they endangered him by not providing a seat with a usable seat belt.

I would have locked myself in the lavatory to sit down and refused to give it up. Let them deal with the 150 passengers who have to hold it in for 7 hours.

Re: Grossly Overweight? - Next time pay for two seats!

Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:08 am
by loCAtek
Actually, I would have too ...rather than be exposed to inappropriate touching for seven hours.