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This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:05 pm
by liberty
This is frustrating why can’t I find anything on the net about the history of machine lathes. I was curious about when they came into use. I know that they have not always existed. Wood lathes were in use in medieval Europe but not metal lathes. They did not exist in American colonial time or in the early part of the nineteenth century. I believe they came into use in the late decades of nineteenth or very early in the Twentieth Century, about the same time as gas welding. What am I doing wrong; can such things be found on the on the net?

I also know that just about anything than can be made with a lathe can be made without one; just not fast or precise. For that reason, I suspect the machine’s existence has something to with the mass production of the internal combustion engines.

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:27 pm
by Lord Jim
Here you go lib:
The lathe is an ancient tool, dating at least to ancient Egypt and known and used in Assyria and ancient Greece.

The origin of turning dates to around 1300 BC when the Ancient Egyptians first developed a two-person lathe. One person would turn the wood work piece with a rope while the other used a sharp tool to cut shapes in the wood. Ancient Rome improved the Egyptian design with the addition of a turning bow. In the Middle Ages a pedal replaced hand-operated turning, freeing both the craftsman's hands to hold the woodturning tools. The pedal was usually connected to a pole, often a straight-grained sapling. The system today is called the "spring pole" lathe. Spring pole lathes were in common use into the early 20th century.

During the Industrial Revolution, mechanized power generated by water wheels or steam engines was transmitted to the lathe via line shafting, allowing faster and easier work. Metalworking lathes evolved into heavier machines with thicker, more rigid parts. Between the late 19th and mid-20th centuries, individual electric motors at each lathe replaced line shafting as the power source. Beginning in the 1950s, servomechanism were applied to the control of lathes and other machine tools via numerical control, which often was coupled with computers to yield computerized numerical control. Today manually controlled and CNC lathes coexist in the manufacturing industries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lathe

Now don't blame yourself for not being able to find this...I'm a highly skilled and experienced data miner...

It's not everyone who would have thought to do a Google search for the phrase "machine lathes history" when trying to find information on the history of machine lathes... :mrgreen:

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:40 pm
by Gob
I worked on an ancient belt driven lathe when I did my apprenticeship in an iron foundry. It had originally been steam powered.

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:44 pm
by dales
machine latte?

hell, they're all over the place.

try starbux.

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:46 pm
by dales
Oh- jeebus!






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Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:49 pm
by Lord Jim
I guess lib must have been trying to do an internet search without having turned on his computer... :D

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 9:51 pm
by Scooter
Or his brain.

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:22 pm
by liberty
Lord Jim wrote:Here you go lib:
The lathe is an ancient tool, dating at least to ancient Egypt and known and used in Assyria and ancient Greece.

The origin of turning dates to around 1300 BC when the Ancient Egyptians first developed a two-person lathe. One person would turn the wood work piece with a rope while the other used a sharp tool to cut shapes in the wood. Ancient Rome improved the Egyptian design with the addition of a turning bow. In the Middle Ages a pedal replaced hand-operated turning, freeing both the craftsman's hands to hold the woodturning tools. The pedal was usually connected to a pole, often a straight-grained sapling. The system today is called the "spring pole" lathe. Spring pole lathes were in common use into the early 20th century.

During the Industrial Revolution, mechanized power generated by water wheels or steam engines was transmitted to the lathe via line shafting, allowing faster and easier work. Metalworking lathes evolved into heavier machines with thicker, more rigid parts. Between the late 19th and mid-20th centuries, individual electric motors at each lathe replaced line shafting as the power source. Beginning in the 1950s, servomechanism were applied to the control of lathes and other machine tools via numerical control, which often was coupled with computers to yield computerized numerical control. Today manually controlled and CNC lathes coexist in the manufacturing industries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lathe

Now don't blame yourself for not being able to find this...I'm a highly skilled and experienced data miner...

It's not everyone who would have thought to do a Google search for the phrase "machine lathes history" when trying to find information on the history of machine lathes... :mrgreen:
Ok enjoy yourself, I admit that you are better than me at it and it probably took you less than a minute to find it. It didn’t occur to me to reverse word order of my search and I used yahoo instead of Google. Is Google that much better than yahoo? :mrgreen:

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 1:15 am
by dales

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:03 am
by liberty
Confession time, I went back and checked the different word combinations and discovered that it doesn’t matter which search engine or word combinations are used. The plain truth is that I simple over looked it. Well, it might be slightly embarrassing but it is not the worse incident of faulty perception I have endured. I once spent about forty five minutes looking for a book coded, I believe, 524; the book actually was coded 425, close but no book. I saw the numbers backward.

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:07 am
by Rick
Is Google that much better than yahoo?
Diamonds and rust...

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:42 am
by liberty
keld feldspar wrote:
Is Google that much better than yahoo?
Diamonds and rust...
It didn’t seem that way this last time; I got the same information using both search engines.

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 2:46 am
by Gob

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:22 am
by liberty
Gob wrote:
Gob, are you saying that he was not comparing the two search engines, but making some other observation or are you making some other statement. Such as it is one of your favorite songs?

Re: This is frustrating why can’t I find anything

Posted: Wed Mar 14, 2012 5:40 am
by Gob
It's just the phrase used by Keld reminded me of an old metal favourite, nothing more.