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Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 11:46 am
by liberty
Is it not treason to make positive comments about the enemy?
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......Elton John: George W. Bush taught me a lesson
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Rock 'n Roll Hall of Famer Elton John once called President George W. Bush "the worst thing that ever happened to America." But in an interview with ABC News/Yahoo! Power Players series, Sir Elton offers a different description of Bush: The U.S. President who has done most to fight AIDS.

Asked directly what President has done more than any other to combat AIDS, John answered without hesitation: "George Bush."

Elton John, who has been a leading activist on AIDS issues since the 1980s, gives President Bush credit for launching the President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) a $15 billion program Bush signed into law in 2004 to provide treatment and prevention for millions of HIV-infected people in Africa.

Prior to that, John had been among President Bush's harshest and most acerbic critics.

"I wasn't a big fan of his policies," John said. "I was very against the Iraq war. So, you know, his policies didn't sit well with mine."

But not long after Bush launched his anti-AIDS effort, Elton John had a chance to meet him in person. The occasion was the 2004 Kennedy Center Honors.

"At the Kennedy Center concert we spent some time in the intermission with the President, George Bush, and he was an amazingly informed about AIDS," John recounted. "He treated us with such kindness. I had so much respect for him, especially when the PEPFAR thing was announced when he gave 15 billion dollars to AIDS. He knew what he was talking about."

Politics aside, personal interaction caused John to change his view of Bush.

"One of the old adages in life is never judge someone until you meet them," John said. "I didn't like his policies but I have to say when I met him, I found him charming, I found him well informed and I found him determined to do something about the AIDS situation so I changed my opinion of him. And his wife was astonishingly kind to us well. So it was -- I learned a lesson."

Less surprisingly, Elton John gives President Obama high marks too and says he's doing "a great job."

"I have never met President Obama, but he revoked the law that you couldn't get into America if you were HIV positive," John said. "Don't Ask, Don't Tell- out the window. Gay marriage, in favor of- endorsed it. He's breaking down the barriers so much and people like Jay-Z came out and endorsed gay marriage and decriminalization. He's a huge hero in the African-American culture."

Sir Elton John has made fighting AIDS -- the disease, the stigmatization of it, finding a cure for it -- one of his most passionate endeavors. But it wasn't always a driving force in his life, which he readily admits in a new book: Love Is the Cure. Everything changed in the late 1980s, when he met Ryan White, the teenage boy who became a symbol of the struggle against AIDS when he was expelled from his middle school after contracting AIDS from a blood transfusion.

"He was a friend, he was an inspiration," said John, "It's because of him, his mother Jeanie who's here today, and Andrea his sister, that I changed. They changed the way I thought about my life, and it was their influence on me that got me to change the way I lived, to look at my life and look at how awful I was, how selfish I was."

The singer and activist was in Washington, D.C. Monday for the AIDS conference, and to view for the first time ever the AIDS Memorial Quilt project.

ABC News' Sarah Burke contributed to this report.

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:08 pm
by The Hen
You are calling George Bush "the enemy"?

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 12:33 pm
by rubato
Incoherent blithering.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:32 pm
by liberty
rubato wrote:Incoherent blithering.

yrs,
rubato
Take a chill pill, chill out. I just posing the question has Elton John betrayed you by accepting the scrub as human life? See the humor in very day life. Has GW managed to turn himself back into a human being?

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:34 pm
by liberty
The Hen wrote:You are calling George Bush "the enemy"?
Are you saying he is not?

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:59 pm
by liberty
Ok, enough messing around, it is time to pose a serious question: The Scrub committed us to fifteen billion dollars for the African AIDS program. I can understand the humanitarian desire to help a desperate people, but that may not have been the wisest thing to have done, because now we need that money to take care of our own people, at least those that live within the borders of our union. The national government has no legal obligation to the people of Africa, but if we take that money away they die. We find ourselves in the situation where we have to borrow money from the Chinese to give to Africans while our own people suffer. What do we do?

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:30 pm
by Sue U
liberty wrote:We find ourselves in the situation where we have to borrow money from the Chinese to give to Africans while our own people suffer.
Uh, no. First, you might want to consider what Bush's $15 billion was being spent on. In addition to providing healthcare infrastructure development overseas, a significant amount was spent on the purchase of brand-name anti-retroviral drugs from U.S. pharmaceutical companies, not cheaper generics. This was yet another payback/giveaway to the pharmaceutical industry that had supported him and the Republicans -- funded by hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars every year; it was no coincidence that Bush appointed the CEO of Eli Lily to run the program:
Estimates released by PEPFAR [President's Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief] reveal that in 2004 and 2005, its first two fully funded years, the plan allocated only about 5 percent of its overall ARV drug budget — less than $15 million — for generic drugs. A key reason for that lies in PEPFAR's own rules: only ARVs approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (or given tentative FDA approval through an expedited review process set up in May 2004) can be procured with the program's funds.

While the president's AIDS initiative was still on the drawing board, that proposed stipulation drew fire from some, including Rep. Henry Waxman of California.

"I strongly oppose the efforts to block the use of low-cost generic drugs through the imposition of unnecessary and onerous drug approval standards," the Democrat wrote in a March 2003 letter to Bush. "It is no secret that U.S. pharmaceutical companies, which make brand-name drugs, do not want funds to flow to generic drug companies in India."

But the proposal became PEPFAR policy.

In 2004, almost all ARVs administered through the program were from well-known companies that make name-brand drugs. By mid-October this year, the FDA had approved 26 generic ARVs for use under PEPFAR, according to an agency spokeswoman, all but one manufactured by foreign firms. However, it is not clear how many of these ARVs are actually being used by PEPFAR. The Office of Global AIDS Coordinator, which administers the PEPFAR program, refused repeated requests by the Center to release that information.

In 2005, generic ARVs amounted to 11 percent of the program's drug procurement budget, according to a May 2006 report submitted to Congress.

The report prepared by the Partnership for Supply Chain Management, a nonprofit organization that works with PEPFAR, looked at how $128 million of the $191 million funded in fiscal 2005 was spent, based on a survey of country programs. Six of the 15 focus country programs — those in Côte d'Ivoire, Ethiopia, Rwanda, South Africa, Tanzania and Vietnam — procured virtually no generic ARV drugs last year, according to the report. Programs in three other nations — Guyana, Kenya and Namibia — each spent about 1 percent or less of their ARV drug money on generics.
http://www.iwatchnews.org/2006/12/13/64 ... eric-terms

As to current funding of the program:
President Obama's $63 billion Global Health Initiative allocated $51 billion over 6 years ($8.5 billion/year) resulting in an overall decrease in PEPFAR funding while allocating $12 billion towards other global health initiatives including maternal and child health. ... ]

Though Obama had pledged $1.05 billion per year for the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB, and Malaria for 2010 and 2011, the actual % contributed were 75% and 60% respectively. Overall funding has decreased by 22.5% between fiscal years 2008 and 2011.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/President' ... IDS_Relief

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 5:49 pm
by Lord Jim
rubato wrote:Incoherent blithering.

yrs,
rubato
Gee rube, you could save yourself a lot of keystrokes if every time you wanted to post something you just copied and pasted that instead...

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:03 pm
by liberty
Sue U wrote:
liberty wrote:We find ourselves in the situation where we have to borrow money from the Chinese to give to Africans while our own people suffer.
Uh, no. First, you might want to consider what Bush's $15 billion was being spent on. In addition to providing healthcare infrastructure development overseas, a significant amount was spent on the purchase of brand-name anti-retroviral drugs from U.S. pharmaceutical companies, not cheaper generics. This was yet another payback/giveaway to the pharmaceutical industry that had supported him and the Republicans -- funded by hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars every year; it was no coincidence that Bush appointed the CEO of Eli Lily to run the program:
.

That good news in a way, if the program is not saving lives we cancel it with a clear conscience.

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:16 pm
by Lord Jim
it was no coincidence that Bush appointed the CEO of Eli Lily to run the program:
I find that absolutely scandalous....

Imagine appointing a person to head a large scale pharmaceutical distribution program in third world countries who ran a company with substantial experience in large scale pharmaceutical distribution programs in third world countries..

It would have been much better if he had appointed a sous chef or a rodeo clown....

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:37 pm
by Sue U
liberty wrote:That good news in a way, if the program is not saving lives we cancel it with a clear conscience.
:roll: :roll: :roll:

No one said the program is not saving lives. In fact, it is. However, it was a program that was also designed in substantial part to enrich certain GOP benefactors, at least over its first five years.

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 6:51 pm
by Sue U
Lord Jim wrote:
it was no coincidence that Bush appointed the CEO of Eli Lily to run the program:
I find that absolutely scandalous....

Imagine appointing a person to head a large scale pharmaceutical distribution program in third world countries who ran a company with substantial experience in large scale pharmaceutical distribution programs in third world countries..

It would have been much better if he had appointed a sous chef or a rodeo clown....
Yeah, except that this was not just a pharmaceutical distribution program, but was a public health program involving numerous aspects of infrastructure and healthcare delivery systems development. And in fact, the kind of commercial "pharmaceutical distribution" done by drug manufacturers is of little to no relevance in this type of program.

And what makes you think he "ran a company with substantial experience in large scale pharmaceutical distribution programs in third world countries" in the first place?

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:03 pm
by The Hen
liberty wrote:
The Hen wrote:You are calling George Bush "the enemy"?
Are you saying he is not?
Answer mine first and then I'll respond to your query.

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 9:07 pm
by Gob
and why do you call him "scrub"?

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 12:16 am
by rubato
liberty wrote:Ok, enough messing around, it is time to pose a serious question: The Scrub committed us to fifteen billion dollars for the African AIDS program. I can understand the humanitarian desire to help a desperate people, but that may not have been the wisest thing to have done, because now we need that money to take care of our own people, at least those that live within the borders of our union. The national government has no legal obligation to the people of Africa, but if we take that money away they die. We find ourselves in the situation where we have to borrow money from the Chinese to give to Africans while our own people suffer. What do we do?

Bush borrowed $300 Billion per year to give tax breaks of which 80% goes to the rich; hey thanks!


Do you know how orders of magnitude work?

yrs,
rubato

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:10 am
by Miles
Ok, I understand that many threads get turned but what does this really have to do with Elton John being a traitor................... :shrug

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:42 am
by liberty
Miles wrote:Ok, I understand that many threads get turned but what does this really have to do with Elton John being a traitor................... :shrug
Elton John associated with that enemy foliage GW does that not make him a traitor to everything good.

The thread is about Elton john, the shrub and the African aid program.

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:49 am
by liberty
Gob wrote:and why do you call him "scrub"?
. Is that not it's name?

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:54 am
by liberty
The Hen wrote:
liberty wrote:
The Hen wrote:You are calling George Bush "the enemy"?
Are you saying he is not?
Answer mine first and then I'll respond to your query.
Of course it is the enemy did it not try to destroy the United States. Now your turn and please do not refer to the shrub in human terms.

Re: Elton John: Is he a traitor?

Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 7:16 am
by The Hen
You are accusing George Bush of trying to destroy the US?

Wow.

He isn't my enemy.