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Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:41 pm
by Gob
THE nickname of the Russian town of Izhevsk, home of the factory that makes Kalashnikov rifles, is the ''Armoury of Russia''.

Over the years, it has armed many other countries, too, as the lathes and presses of the Izhevsk Machine Works clanged around the clock to forge AK-47s and similar guns for insurgents and armies.

But these days, many are headed elsewhere: the US. Despite the gun's violent history, or perhaps because of it, American hunters and gun enthusiasts are snapping up thousands of Kalashnikov rifles and shotguns. Demand is so brisk that the factory has shifted its focus from military to civilian manufacture over the past two years.

US sales of the civilian versions, sold under the brand name Saiga, rose by 50 per cent last year, according to officials at the factory, known as Izhmash.

Overall, the US is the world's biggest market for civilian guns, partly because of the comparatively lenient gun ownership laws, a topic of renewed debate since the Colorado movie theatre massacre.

Russian weapons accounted for a tiny portion of the US gun market last year, but Saiga sales rose far faster than the overall growth of 14 per cent in 2011.

''I bought a Saiga because it was made in Russia, right beside its big brothers, the AKs,'' said Josh Laura, of Tennessee, a former US Marine. ''No rifle in the world has been as reliable as this one.''

Selling rifles to Americans is fundamental to the efforts to save Izhmash, which has made Kalashnikovs since soon after they were developed in 1947 but is now struggling.

Used AK weapons have flooded the market, and cheap Chinese knockoffs are stealing many of the customers that remain. For American gun enthusiasts, an authentic Russian-made Kalashnikov is appealing, not only for its historical importance as the weapon of choice in so many global conflicts, but also because of its reliability.

Although the civilian versions cannot fire bursts of bullets with a single trigger pull - a military feature known as fully automatic mode - it does share many features with military guns.

Maksim Kuzyuk, a board member of Izhmash and a former chief executive, said he studied the global market for small arms before deciding to focus on the US. ''Typically, an American family will have five or six short and long-barrelled guns,'' said Mr Kuzyuk, ''Some collectors have more than 20 guns.''

In the US, Izhmash cannot be underpriced by Chinese competitors.

The federal government has banned most imports of Chinese weapons since 1994.

Americans are now buying about the same number of Kalashnikov-style weapons from Izhmash as do the Russian army and police.

This shift has been encouraged by the Kremlin, which wants to revive some military industries by improving their economies of scale and helping them blend military and civilian manufacturing.

NEW YORK TIMES

Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 10:51 pm
by dales
The AK is highly over rated.

eta: i always look to the NYT for any meaningful forearms discourse. :nana

Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:49 am
by Miles
I don't know Dales, I have dodged many a round from an AK and also seen what it can do. I have also carried the AK and used it effectively in situations that made me very aware of its capabilities. Don't sell it short unless you have experienced it first hand. ;)

Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:55 am
by dales
Compared to the M-16 it is not a accurate.

Hell, the Ruskies don't use the Ak-47 anymore. :lol:

(they use an improved version: the AK-74)

btw: i'm not dissing the gun, just the silly and inaccurate reporting by the NYT.

Thanks for your service, Miles.

Here's a cool video comparing the two weapons:


Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 3:30 pm
by liberty
It looks to me that the commies ripped off the NAZI.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StG_44


Action Gas-operated, tilting bolt
Rate of fire 550-600 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity 685 m/s (2,247 ft/s)
Effective range 300 m (automatic) 600 m (semi-automatic)[3]
Feed system 30-round detachable box magazine
Sights Adjustable sights, rear: V-notch; front: hooded post

The StG 44 (Sturmgewehr 44, literally "storm (or assault) rifle (model of 19)44") was an assault rifle developed in Nazi Germany during World War II that was the first of its kind to see major deployment and is considered by many historians to be the first modern assault rifle.[4] It is also known under the designations MP 43 and MP 44 (Maschinenpistole 43, Maschinenpistole 44 respectively), which denote earlier development versions of the same weapon with some differences like a different butt end, muzzle nut, shape of the front sight base or with an unstepped barrel, all only visible with close inspection.

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Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:00 pm
by dales
You are correct.

The StG 44 is the grandaddy of all assault rifles.

Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 1:55 pm
by Jarlaxle
Screw the AK and the M16. I'll take an M14, please.

Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:48 pm
by Miles
Jarlaxle wrote:Screw the AK and the M16. I'll take an M14, please.
Abso fuclking lutey. :ok

Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 2:51 pm
by dales
I'll take the Stryker-12. :ok

Re: Russians have the Americans in their sights

Posted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:14 am
by loCAtek
Roger thaT!