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Nineteen people were shot in seven attacks overnight in Chicago, as the US city's gun violence epidemic continued.

Thirteen of the victims were shot within a half-hour period, including eight in a drive-by shooting on a single street.

Chicago officials have been battling a sharp increase in shootings and homicides, with some elected officials arguing gangs do not fear the police.

The city's murder rate has spiked 29% year-over-year as of this month.

By that time in 2011, 270 people had been killed in the city, according to data complied by the local newspaper RedEye Chicago. In 2012, that number is 348.

Most of the violence has been in Chicago's troubled south and west sides, but also a handful of incidents in the downtown area.

A fired women's apparel designer shot dead a former colleague outside the Empire State Building in New York City before he was killed by police.

Nine others were hit by bullets, some possibly fired by police, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg said.

Those wounded suffered minor injuries and all were expected to survive.

Police Commissioner Ray Kelly named the shooter as 58-year-old Jeffrey Johnson, who lived in Manhattan. His victim was Steven Ercolino, 41.

Among those wounded were four men and five women, aged 20 to 56, authorities said. They were all from New York City except one woman from Chapel Hill, North Carolina.

Nineteen people were shot in seven attacks overnight in Chicago, as the US city's gun violence epidemic continued.

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All nine people injured in Friday's Empire State Building shooting were hurt as a result of police fire, New York's police chief has confirmed.

During the incident, which was captured by surveillance cameras, police officers shot dead a gunman who had just killed a former work colleague.

Commissioner Ray Kelly said bystanders had been hit by bullets or fragments of bullets striking objects.

They suffered minor injuries and all are expected to survive.

An ex-Marine wearing desert camouflage has opened fire at a US supermarket, killing two of his co-workers and himself as other terrified store employees ran for cover, authorities say.

Terence Tyler, 23, left his shift around 3.30am on Friday, drove off and returned 20 minutes later to the closed store with a handgun and an assault rifle similar to an AK-47, Prosecutor Bruce Kaplan said.

About 12 to 14 workers were still at the Pathmark store in Old Bridge, New Jersey.

He first fired outside the store at an employee, who ran inside and warned co-workers as Tyler kept firing and entered the store, Kaplan said.


Tyler stopped at one of the supermarket aisles and fired at five other workers, killing 18-year-old Christina LoBrutto and a 24-year-old Bryan Breen as other workers hid, officials said.

"I do not believe that they were specifically targeted. I believe everybody in the store was a target," said Kaplan.

After firing at least 16 shots, the gunman then drew his handgun and killed himself, the prosecutor said.

Big RR wrote:To be fair, the same is true of cars that are stolen--the owner (and owner's insurance company) bear no responsibility. My car was once hit by a stolen car (really allegedly stolen--he said it was in his driveway and he left the keys in it, I htink he fled the scene and then abandoned the car), and I was on my own to pay for the damages to my car, much as someone shot by a stolen gun would be.

rubato wrote:So do you agree or disagree that the shooting sports should pay their own way?

That they should pay the costs to society imposed by guns?

All else is stupid legal masturbation.


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rubato

Car owners are liable if they leave the keys in the car in many jurisdictions:.

Most Courts Rule The Thief Is Liable Even If You Leave Your Keys In The Ignition
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However, in some odd cases, the courts have ruled that a person who leaves their keys in their car is financially responsible. The rationale here is that the owner should foresee that leaving the keys in the car will materially increase the risk of harm to others. For example, a car left in a known skid-row area, with a high crime rate was enough to put the owner on notice of the increased danger of theft and ensuing negligence.

Owner liability ordinarily invovles the permissive use of a vehicle.
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Owner liability does not ordinarily extend to non-permissive uses of a car, although an owner's negligence may sometimes cause liability to follow even where a car is stolen. For example, some jurisdictions will hold an owner liable if they leave the keys in the ignition of the car, and their car is stolen and subsequently invovled in an accident.

"It's an act of negligence for a person to leave their car with the motor running and easily accessible to anyone who wants to steal it," said Scott Rynecki, another lawyer hired by the Ogles. "And if a party is going on in your house, you have an obligation to be responsible and make sure there is no underage drinking."