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Three Strike laws, and mandatory minimum sentencing:
LA Grim Sleeper suspect had 4-decade arrest record

By GILLIAN FLACCUS, Associated Press Writer Gillian Flaccus, Associated Press Writer – 58 mins ago

LOS ANGELES – The 57-year-old man charged with 10 murders in the Los Angeles "Grim Sleeper" case was arrested at least 15 times over four decades but was never sent to state prison despite the recommendation of probation officers, court and jail records show.

Lonnie Franklin Jr. was arrested for burglary, car theft, firearms possession and assaults. But his crimes never were considered serious enough to send him to state prison or to warrant his entry in the state's DNA database, authorities said.

"He's danced to the raindrops for a long time without getting wet," Detective Dennis Kilcoyne, head of the task force investigating the killings, told the Los Angeles Times.

Franklin was arrested Wednesday on 10 counts of murder and other charges in the deaths of young black women that started in the 1980s, then suddenly stopped, only to resume again 14 years later — sparking the nickname Grim Sleeper.

Franklin's public defender, Regina Laughney, said she's still reviewing materials in the case and it was too early for her to comment.

One of the victims was killed in July 2003, when records show Franklin should have been in county jail but was released early because of overcrowding.[ :x ]

Franklin pleaded no contest to receiving stolen property in that case, in which he was arrested at a Glendale mall driving a stolen luxury sport utility vehicle.

A probation officer said it was unusual and disturbing that Franklin was still involved in such crimes at age 50, when most criminals have slowed down.

"If at this age the defendant is still engaging in criminal activities," the officer wrote, "the community can best be served by imposing the maximum time possible in state prison."

But Franklin received just a fraction of the maximum sentence_ 270 days in jail — and was still released four months early, according to jail data obtained by the Times.


He also narrowly dodged the state DNA database. The following year, all felony convicts were put in the database after California voters passed a measure requiring it.

Despite the long and varied record, Kilcoyne said Franklin did not commit the kind of violent crimes against women that might have drawn the attention of detectives in the Grim Sleeper case.

Investigators now plan to use DNA to tie Franklin to dozens more murders, looking at more than 30 cold case files dating to 1984, Los Angeles Police Chief Charlie Beck said Friday.

"Now that we know who he is, where he lives, the cars he drove, have people to interview, we will go over all those old cases and look for connections," Beck said.

Investigators will upload Franklin's DNA profile into a national database to see if it matches other samples where the DNA had degraded and scientists only were able to get a partial sample, Beck said.

A technique called "familial DNA" led detectives to Franklin. In early June, the state Department of Justice ran DNA from the case through a database of 1.5 million samples.

The database found no identical matches, but did find a "familial" match to a convicted felon whose DNA indicated he was either a brother or the son of the killer. An earlier search in 2008 had found no familial matches, but Franklin's son was added to the database in recent months for a felony weapons conviction.

An undercover officer pretending to be a waiter in Los Angeles collected tableware, napkins, glasses and pizza crust at a restaurant where Franklin ate, allowing detectives to obtain a DNA match.

Franklin made a first court appearance Thursday on the murder counts as well as one count of attempted murder and special-circumstance allegations of multiple murder that could lead to the death penalty or life in prison without possibility of parole.

His arraignment was postponed until Aug. 9 at the request of his attorney.

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Associated Press Writer Thomas Watkins contributed to this report.
And now this scumbag will no doubt live to a ripe old age on what we here in California laughingly refer to as "Death Row"....
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I don't know about "three strikes" Jim, but some common sense on habitual criminals would seem to be in order...
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How many crimes had he been convicted of?

Arrest records mean nothing of significance. The police arrest the wrong people all the time.
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Franklin has at least four prior convictions, two for felony possession of stolen property in 1993 and 2003, one for misdemeanor battery in 1997, and one for misdemeanor assault in 1999, according to court records. He was sentenced to a year in jail for the first stolen property charge and 270 days for the second one.

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Three Strike laws, and mandatory minimum sentencing:"

Because if you kill/imprison for life everyone who steals a car you will remove that small fraction who will also kill someone later on.? Self-destructive sadism buys a lot of votes.

Far more efficient methods for reducing crime have been proven than spending $35,000/yr imprisoning people, or millions killing them, when we could have kept them out of prison by spending a few thousand more on education and made them into taxpayers.

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Some people REFUSE education/training and being a productive citizen.

They are either sociopathic or in some cases, psychopathic.

This condition can be caused by socio-envoronmental conditioons or a psycho-biological condition.

Their thought processess are NOT condusive to becoming "good tax-paying citizens".Our prisons and jails are filled with such persons. They need to be put away from society by being locked up or put down.

End of story.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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Their thought processess are NOT condusive to becoming "good tax-paying citizens".Our prisons and jails are filled with such persons. They need to be put away from society by being locked up or put down.
That's true Dale...

But on the other side of the coin, re this:
One of the victims was killed in July 2003, when records show Franklin should have been in county jail but was released early because of overcrowding.
It would be interesting to know how many folks were being held at that time for simple drug possession charges, and whether that could have played a role in the overcrowding that led to this predator being released...
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You hit the nail on the head, Jim.

I'm voting YES to legalize MJ this November.

Are you? ;)

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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I'm voting YES to legalize MJ this November.

Are you?
You betcha
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How come you are voting? Isn't this a political matter?
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Lord Jim wrote:
I'm voting YES to legalize MJ this November.

Are you?
You betcha

In that case LJ, let me propose a FtF bake off after the election.

The 420 crowd in The City will prolly be going nuts, so I propose a clandestine meeting with other like minded souls in Andrew D's backyard in the thriving metropolis of Antioch. I'll pick you up at the Pittsburg BART. ;)

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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However;
The belief that a reduction in the prison population leads to more crime is not supported by data or the experience in many jurisdictions that have used early release to reduce their correctional populations. A 2007 study by the National Council of Crime and Delinquency reviewed thirteen reports on the early release of prisoners in the United States and Canada. In each case, the crime rates remained the same or declined during the early-release period, and the prisoners released early did not commit more crimes than their counterparts who served the full sentence. In the jurisdictions that provided community-based supportive services, recidivism rates declined.



One reason that there is no direct link between releasing prisoners and crime is that parolees are not responsible for as much crime as the public is led to believe. Although featured prominently in media stories about violent crime, parolees actually contribute very little to the crime rate. A study by the U.S. Department of Justice concluded that parolees account for less than 5 percent of serious crimes.
FromOvercrowding in California Prisons

Consider that our prisons are full because of gang problem.

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