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Another "Only In San Francisco" Story

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San Francisco may be a let-it-all-hang-out kind of city, but Supervisor Scott Wiener has a message for the nudists who parade their wares in the city's plazas and sidewalks: Put your pants on.

Wiener on Tuesday proposed legislation that would ban the exposure of genitals or buttocks on all city sidewalks, plazas, parklets, streets and public transit.

Nudity would remain legal at street fairs, festivals and parades - and thus, the Folsom Street Fair, Bay to Breakers and the Gay Pride Parade could remain as flesh-filled as ever. The legislation also wouldn't affect nudity at public beaches or on private property.

At Jane Warner Plaza at Castro and Market streets on Tuesday, the clothed sun worshipers were mostly relieved to hear that the Castro district's famous "naked guys" could soon be forced to be just regular, pants-wearing guys. As many as a dozen nudists gather almost daily in the neighborhood's town square.

"To me, it's uncivilized," griped Lawrence Snyder, a 70-year-old retiree who likes to read the newspaper at least once a week in the plaza. "Even the cavemen wore a little bit of fur, a little bit of leather."

There was one naked guy in the plaza at lunchtime on Tuesday. He arrived in business clothes, stripped down to his shoes, socks and sunglasses and ate a pasta salad.

Despite his very public display at one of the city's most crowded intersections, he declined to give his name for fear his boss or co-workers would find out how he spends his lunch hour.

"I don't see a reason for banning it," he said. "People who don't want to look just turn the other way. Most people just walk by like I'm a streetlight."

Most, but not all. A group of Korean tourists giggled and took photographs of each other in front of the naked guy, saying in halting English that they would never see such a thing in their country.

"It's amazing! He has a lot of confidence," one said.[i wouldn't call it "confidence"]

Chief complaint

But like Fisherman's Wharf, some attractions that are popular among tourists just don't translate to residents. Wiener said public nudity is the top complaint among his Castro district constituents, even beating out homelessness and Muni. He said he actually hears the most complaints from gay residents.

"Some people say this is not what we fought for," he said. "Being able to expose your genitals at Castro and Market is not the goal of the LGBT civil rights movement."

Last year, Wiener passed legislation known as the "skid mark law." That law, which passed the Board of Supervisors unanimously, requires nudists to place barriers between their bare bottoms and public chairs or benches, but many Castro residents complained that didn't go far enough.

"I thought it would work itself out, but unfortunately it didn't," Wiener said. "It's only gotten more extreme and over the top. A lot of people in the community have reached the end of their rope."

He said he has seen the naked guys publicly wearing genital jewelry designed to stimulate arousal. He's heard reports from others that the naked guys have publicly engaged in sexual touching and charge tourists $5 to take pictures with them.

The Mission Station police who patrol the area have said they've received an increasing number of complaints about public nudity, but that they can't do anything about it unless there's associated lewd behavior. Currently, San Francisco bans nudity only in parks and restaurants and on port property.

The only option a fed-up resident has is to file a citizen's complaint and testify in court that they were personally offended by the nudity, which Wiener said never happens.

New rules

Under his legislation, a naked person would receive a $100 fine for the first offense and a $200 fine for the second offense in a 12-month period. A third offense could result in either a third infraction ticket with a $500 fine or a misdemeanor. A conviction under the proposed law wouldn't constitute a sex offense. Berkeley and San Jose have similar bans on public nudity.

Mayor Ed Lee said Tuesday that he supports Wiener's proposal.

"I can understand people like sunbathing, but let's have a level of balance here," he said. "On behalf of kids who shouldn't really have to view this, and on behalf of parents that walk their kids to school, we're going to create those balanced constrictions."

That sounds good to Leki Loketi, a 42-year-old bartender who can see Jane Warner Plaza from his apartment.

"This is a liberal neighborhood, and they're taking advantage of it," he said.

Dan Glazer, a 54-year-old restaurant owner, said he's a little conflicted about the proposed ban because of the civil rights issue, but that he's had enough of the nudists. Most of them don't even live in the neighborhood, he said.

"They're annoying, like mosquitoes," he said.


Perhaps the most common nudity-related complaint among those populating the plaza on Tuesday was one echoed by Snyder, the 70-year-old retiree.

"The ones who are nude are the ones who should keep their clothes on," he said. "That's my feeling."


Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/L ... z28FB2sBd6
Time to give these attention whores a good hard kick in the groin and send them packing. :ok

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It's rather iintereting that the gay community has acted this way; people who fought for the ability to express affection in public places (which I support) won't give the same rights to nudists. somehow, people bothered by nudity have more of a point than people who say they are bothered by same sex couples kissing or cuddling.

As the one guy said, if you don't like it, just turn your head.

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Gee whiz, a sane and sensible proposal coming from a member of the San Fransisco Board of Supervisors...

Who would have thought such a thing possible?
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...and a Wiener yet!
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Lord Jim wrote:Gee whiz, a sane and sensible proposal coming from a member of the San Fransisco Board of Supervisors...
I bet he supports anti-miscegenation laws too!
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One would automatically follow the other.

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Some people are just gluttons for punishment.
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... and some like to waggle their dicks in public - they get off on it
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waggle, weggle, wiggle, woggle, wuggle.

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My grandson used to love their show. :o

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I can do without the wiggles and the naked people. But then again, I have not visited San Fran although my son did and says it's a nice place.

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the Wiggles are Australian. (Seriously has anything good come out of Austrailia?)
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Crackpot wrote:the Wiggles are Australian. (Seriously has anything good come out of Austrailia?)
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We have Weebles.

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and what about.....

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"Quick Skip! Sonny's down a well again."

"Fuck Sonny."
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Argh!

She has a drop bear on her back.
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and no helmet
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