The belief among liberals was that JFK’s killer was either elements of the US government, the mafia or some secret southern society. I don’t believe any of these of these were involved. One reason is that I have worked around CIA types at the Electronic War Center and they did not strike as very political. They only thing they seemed to be interested in were their careers and their pensions. I just don’t believe that American bureaucrats care enough to kill a president. And the mafia, it is not their thing: they are not revolutionaries they are, illegal, businessmen. If they were, we would be a lot more like Mexico than the US. If things get too hot for them they take foreign vacation until things cool down. And as for the Clan or some other racist organization I don’t believe they had the capability.
I believe that somehow Castro was involved; LBJ seemed to think the same thing. However, the most likely scenario is that Oswald acted alone in the hopes it would lead to some kind of revolution.
Also doesn’t it seem logical that Castro could have been involved in inspiring the assassination Martin Luther king; it almost led to a race war the very thing that Castro wanted? What do you think?
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 9:18 am
by MajGenl.Meade
lib, I've read a lot of the conspiracy literature ever since Rush to Judgement came out (1966) and it has never occurred to me that belief in a conspiracy was confined to "liberals". People of many different world views suspected the mob, oil barons, communists, Fidel especially, the FBI, the CIA, Joe DiMaggio and the Illuminati. So why use the word at all?
As to the CIA Electronic Warfare types, why on earth would you use to draw conclusions about the kind of operatives that were actively involved around the world in XPD and whether any of them would have the motive, means and opportunity to arrange the shooting of a liberal President?
I too doubt the conspiracy theories. L H Oswald was a dangerous fruitcake which is often true of people who have nose-shadows that point the wrong way. And besides, you are too late for April 4 and too early for November 22 (or vice versa) so why bring this up now?
Meade
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:06 am
by Sue U
Arlen Specter died yesterday.
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:18 am
by MajGenl.Meade
And they'll say it's just another 'coincidental' death!
Meade
PS thanks I did not know he had died
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:14 pm
by Lord Jim
For anyone who believes that there was a conspiracy to kill JFK, I highly recommended a three part Frontline documentary that was made several years ago called , Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald? (I just did a little search, and I believe all three segments are on You Tube)
If you can watch that and come away still believing there was a conspiracy, then you're living in Steveville....
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 12:54 pm
by rubato
liberty wrote:The belief among liberals was that JFK’s killer was either elements of the US government, the mafia or some secret southern society. I don’t believe any of these of these were involved. .... "
Yet another in the "just make shit up and pretend someone believes it" series.
Are you unable not to make bullshit lies up like that?
yrs,
rubato
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:14 pm
by dgs49
Often, truth is stranger than fiction.
If you wrote a novel in which someone like Oswald was able to plan and execute that attack successfully, it would be panned as too ridiculous to be taken seriously. That shot, at that distance, with a moving target...forget about it. No marksman in the world would give himself even a 10% chance of carrying it off.
But it happened.
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 1:35 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
dgs I think (could be wrong) that it's the word "liberals" he's objecting to. Just as I did.
Anyway, one can't sit in the actual Book Depository window but looking from adjacent ones, I think I could hit that target 2 out of 3. At least that's how it appeared to me on my visit there.
Oswald did it. And he shot J D Tippit (39) as well in trying to evade capture. And the officer's family get to have authors make money from speculating that the man was supposed to kill Oswald but our hero shot first
-spit-
Meade
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 2:00 pm
by Rick
I shouted out,
Who killed the Kennedys?
When after all
It was you and me
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:42 pm
by dales
The defining moment of my generation.
The 1960's began on that day and ended when CM miscreants creepy-crawled and did their dirty work.
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 6:44 pm
by TPFKA@W
Jackie had him taken out because of his serial cheating. Hell hath no wrath....
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 7:58 pm
by Lord Jim
There have been a lot of kooky theories over the years, including one that Aristotle Onassis was behind it....
But my favorite nutty theory has to be the one that came out about 20 years ago, (a guy actually wrote a book about this...I remember hearing him interviewed on a local radio talk show.) claiming that JFK was actually killed by a Secret Service agent who's gun went off accidentally in the motorcade after Oswald had fired the initial shot...
I posted this before when we talked about this, but I really think it explains very succinctly the persistence of the conspiracy theories despite the evidence:
The late renowned historian William Manchester hit the nail on the head about that a few years ago:
"Those who desperately want to believe that President Kennedy was the victim of a conspiracy have my sympathy. I share their yearning. To employ what may seem an odd metaphor, there is an esthetic principle here. If you put six million dead Jews on one side of a scale and on the other side put the Nazi regime – the greatest gang of criminals ever to seize control of a modern state – you have a rough balance: greatest crime, greatest criminals.
But if you put the murdered President of the United States on one side of a scale and that wretched waif Oswald on the other side, it doesn't balance. You want to add something weightier to Oswald. It would invest the President's death with meaning, endowing him with martyrdom. He would have died for something. A conspiracy would, of course, do the job nicely. Unfortunately, there is no evidence whatsoever that there was one."
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:04 pm
by The Hen
If you watch the excellent time-travel documentary, "Tikka to Ride", I think you will find out it was the future JFK that shot himself from behind the grassy knoll to leave himself a better place in history.
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:25 pm
by Gob
Lister: Dallas? Wasn't that the place where that American king got assassinated? Rimmer: JFK. Lister: No. It was John something, not Jeff Kay! Lister: JFK, not Jeff Kay, you gimboid! Like the airport. I did a paper on him at school. Lister: I wonder why anybody would want to name their kid after an airport. Rimmer: The airport was named after the President! Lister: Alright!
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:28 pm
by Lord Jim
I thought that episode was funny, (especially the scene where they accidentally knock Oswald out the window) but kind of shark jumper....
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 8:31 pm
by Gob
I think it's definitely in my top five. :
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Mon Oct 15, 2012 11:48 pm
by liberty
MajGenl.Meade wrote:lib, I've read a lot of the conspiracy literature ever since Rush to Judgement came out (1966) and it has never occurred to me that belief in a conspiracy was confined to "liberals". People of many different world views suspected the mob, oil barons, communists, Fidel especially, the FBI, the CIA, Joe DiMaggio and the Illuminati. So why use the word at all?
Growing up I talked to individuals and read editorial that I considered liberal, the theories they seemed preferred were the ones unfavorable to the US such as,” it was the CIA or the military”. The idea that communist such as Castro could be involved were,” reactionary”.
As to the CIA Electronic Warfare types, why on earth would you use to draw conclusions about the kind of operatives that were actively involved around the world in XPD and whether any of them would have the motive, means and opportunity to arrange the shooting of a liberal President?
Sorry I only had access to analyst, but I don’t see why field agents would be any different.
And besides, you are too late for April 4 and too early for November 22 (or vice versa) so why bring this up now?
I read an article on the Cuban missile crisis and one thought lead to another.Meade
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 5:38 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Sorry I only had access to analyst, but I don’t see why field agents would be any different
Analyst:
CIA Field Agent:
There are ten differences between these pictures. Can you spot them?
Meade
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 7:53 am
by The Hen
The first assassination attempt.
The second assassination attempt.
Re: Who killed JFK?
Posted: Tue Oct 16, 2012 10:16 am
by Sean
There are ten differences between these pictures. Can you spot them?
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