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Since there are so many darned lawyers around here

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:46 pm
by TPFKA@W
How is paypal getting away with telling users that if we use their service we no longer may join any class action suits against them? It is now part of the users agreement.

Re: Since there are so many darned lawyers around here

Posted: Sat Oct 20, 2012 9:58 pm
by Scooter
Will this really work?
Looks like PayPal users are the latest to be been given notice they have to opt out of a mandatory binding arbitration agreement or else they will lose their right to join a class action lawsuit against the company. The deadline to opt out is December 1, 2012.

The announcement comes just days after Top Class Actions reported that eBay users have until November 9 to opt out of a new mandatory arbitration clause in eBay’s updated user agreement.

As we reported earlier, these changes to customer terms of service are being adopted by more big-name companies as a way to protect themselves from costly class action litigation. Companies generally prefer arbitration because settlements are much smaller than class action lawsuit settlements, and the arbitrator is usually hired by the company, which means it won’t bite the hand that feeds it.

Users received notice of the PayPal Policy Update via email on Saturday, which reads as follows:

The update to the User Agreement is effective November 1, 2012 and contains several changes, including changes that affect how claims you and PayPal have against each other are resolved. You will, with limited exception, be required to submit claims you have against PayPal to binding and final arbitration, unless you opt out of the Agreement to Arbitrate (Section 14.3) by December 1, 2012. Unless you opt out: (1) you will only be permitted to pursue claims against PayPal on an individual basis, not as a plaintiff or class member in any class or representative action or proceeding and (2) you will only be permitted to seek relief (including monetary, injunctive, and declaratory relief) on an individual basis.

You can opt out of the PayPal arbitration agreement by sending a letter to PayPal that contains the following information, as quoted from PayPal's Updated User Agreement:

"The Opt-Out Notice must state that you do not agree to this Agreement to Arbitrate and must include your name, address, phone number, and the email address(es) used to log in to the PayPal account(s) to which the opt-out applies. You must sign the Opt-Out Notice for it to be effective. This procedure is the only way you can opt out of the Agreement to Arbitrate."

Current PayPal users have until December 1, 2012 to mail the opt-out notice, while new PayPal users must postmark the opt-out notice no later than 30 days after they date they accept the User Agreement for the first time.

If you choose to opt out of the PayPal arbitration agreement, you can use the following form letter:

(add your name)
(add your address)
(add today’s date)

PayPal, Inc.
Attn: Litigation Department
2211 N. First St.
San Jose, CA 95131

Dear PayPal, Inc.:

This is an opt-out notice. I do not agree to PayPal’s Agreement to Arbitrate. I am writing this letter in accordance with the terms stated in the PayPal User Agreement, which require that I express my rejection and include my name, address, phone number and the email address(es) used to log in to my PayPal account(s) to which the opt-out applies in a letter signed by me and postmarked by December 1, 2012. This opt-out notice applies to:

Name:
Address:
Phone Number:
E-mail address(es):

Regards,
(sign your name)

Re: Since there are so many darned lawyers around here

Posted: Sun Oct 21, 2012 4:48 pm
by rubato
" Re: Since there are so many darned lawyers around here"

Our whole legal system is unraveling*.

yrs,
rubato

* Or raveling.

Re: Since there are so many darned lawyers around here

Posted: Mon Oct 22, 2012 1:42 pm
by Sue U
TPFKA@W wrote:How is paypal getting away with telling users that if we use their service we no longer may join any class action suits against them? It is now part of the users agreement.
Well, you can thank the GOP's model justice Antonin Scalia and his four "conservative" (i.e., radical right-wing pro-business anti-consumer activist) bretheren on the Supreme Court (Roberts, Thomas, Alito and Kennedy). Last year in AT&T Mobility v. Concepcion, the majority ruled that it was perfectly okay for businesses to deny their consumers the remedy of a class action by including the prohibition within the arbitration clauses of their sales and service contracts. Consumers can be required by cotract to go to individual binding arbitration instead -- even where state law would find that contract unconscionable and unenforceable. Thus, a company like AT&T can defraud each of millions of its customers a few thousand dollars and never be held accountable, because as a practical matter it costs more to arbitrate an individual claim than the claim is worth. Without a class action remedy -- which is specifically designed to be an economically efficient way to remedy large numbers of low-dollar-value losses -- businesses can lie, cheat and steal from consumers whose only rederess is indvidual arbitration -- with the arbitrators picked by the company, by the way.

This is the kind of consumer protection you can expect from the "conservative"-dominated Supreme Court. Elect Romney and you'll get more of the same from the next appointee.

Re: Since there are so many darned lawyers around here

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:29 am
by liberty
Does anyone know anything about a law suit filed against auto makers by a mom and pop repair shop over the availability of service data?

Re: Since there are so many darned lawyers around here

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:52 am
by Joe Guy
I'm sure someone does.

Re: Since there are so many darned lawyers around here

Posted: Tue Oct 23, 2012 4:19 am
by Econoline
Someone in the Treasury Department? :mrgreen: