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The right to IVF

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 2:29 am
by Gob
Four murderers and a drug dealer are in line for taxpayer-funded fertility treatment so that they can father a child from behind bars.

The killers are demanding to be allowed to take part in IVF treatment despite serving life sentences. Ministers may be powerless to refuse because of a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights concerning the right to a private and family life.

Turning down the prisoners’ demands could lead to court action and compensation claims running into tens of thousands of pounds.

Ministers may be powerless to refuse because of a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights concerning the right to a private and family life

The cases will provoke outrage at the rights afforded to individuals who have committed shocking crimes, and spur demands for action against the power of European human rights judges, who are also demanding an end to the ban on prisoners voting.

Last year the Daily Mail revealed that a prisoner had been given access to artificial insemination treatment on the NHS at a cost of around £2,000.

Since then, 13 applications have been made by inmates in England and Wales. Eight have been rejected but five remain in ministers’ in-trays.

The names and details of the inmates are protected by privacy laws, but three were convicted of murder, one of murder and aggravated burglary and the fifth of possession of a Class A drug with intent to supply.

Last year the Daily Mail revealed that a prisoner had been given access to artificial insemination treatment on the NHS at a cost of around £2,000.

Last night Justice Secretary Chris Grayling, who has said he wants to ‘curtail’ the powers of the Strasbourg court, said: ‘There can be no clearer example of why we need changes to the human rights framework.

‘The European Court of Human Rights in Strasbourg has extended its remit into areas which have little to do with real human rights issues and I intend to bring forward proposals about how we change that.’
Andrew Percy, Tory MP for Brigg and Goole, said: ‘When you commit a crime such as murder you should lose your rights and liberties.’

The doors were opened to a flood of new applications by a 2007 Strasbourg ruling in the case of a convicted killer, Kirk Dickson.

Dickson and a friend kicked to death a 41-year-old man in 1995 and he was sentenced to a minimum of 15 years.

He met his wife Lorraine through a prison pen pal scheme while she was serving 12 months for a £20,000 benefit fraud*.


They married in 2000 after her release but while he was still behind bars.

In 2001 David Blunkett rejected the couple’s application to authorise her access to sperm donation from him for IVF treatment.

With at least £20,000 in legal aid, they took the case to the High Court and the Court of Appeal but were rejected at every turn.

In 2007 the case went to Strasbourg, when Dickson was 35 and his wife 49.

Ministers fought the case, arguing that losing the opportunity to have children was an inevitable result of being jailed.

But the Grand Chamber of the European Court of Human Rights ruled that the Dicksons’ rights had been breached and handed them £18,000 in damages.
*Just the sort of person you want breeding.

Re: The right to IVF

Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2012 4:46 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
We got plenty of nut cases, you can have a few too. Now if we can get them and their offspring some guns, then we can compare. ;)

Re: The right to IVF

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 12:36 am
by dgs49
It seems to me that the State has a right to define incarceration as it chooses. It would be fully justifiable to prohibit any sexual contact at all, but the state may choose to allow it in the interest of rehabilitation. this obviously goes,much too far.

The European Union is a bad idea,built on envy of the u.s.,that has gotten completely out of control.

Re: The right to IVF

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 9:58 pm
by rubato
Gob wrote:
Four murderers and a drug dealer are in line for taxpayer-funded fertility treatment so that they can father a child from behind bars.

The killers are demanding to be allowed to take part in IVF treatment despite serving life sentences. Ministers may be powerless to refuse because of a ruling by the European Court of Human Rights concerning the right to a private and family life.


lying scum make all kinds of 'demands'. Intelligent people learn to ignore them.

yrs,
rubato

Re: The right to IVF

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:13 pm
by Miles
Inmates have the right to vote?!?

Re: The right to IVF

Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:56 pm
by Gob
Not yet, but Europe is working on it.
The Council of Europe has told the UK it cannot include a blanket ban on prisoner voting as an option when it puts a bill before MPs.

It has also effectively given ministers until September to bring forward a bill, the BBC's James Landale says.

Last month the government published a draft bill with three options for MPs.

They were to give the vote to prisoners serving less than six months, give it to those serving less than four years, or keep the current blanket ban.

The draft bill will be considered by a new committee of MPs before making recommendations to the government.

Ministers will then draw up a proper bill which will be put before Parliament - it is expected that MPs will almost certainly vote to keep the ban, James Landale, the BBC's deputy political editor, says.

The European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), which is overseen by the Council of Europe, has told the government to present plans to allow inmates to take part in elections, but most MPs are opposed.

The government and Labour both oppose giving serving prisoners the vote.

Parliament is expected to tackle the issue in the next few months, but Prime Minister David Cameron has vowed inmates will not be given such rights under his government, saying the idea makes him feel "physically sick".