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Set fire to them

Posted: Fri Jan 18, 2013 9:30 pm
by Gob
The term sounds deceptively friendly, like a character from a children's cartoon, but "firebugs" are the scourge of the southern Australian summer.

They are the arsonists who set alight bushfires, and who often strike on days when soaring temperatures and high winds combine to create the most hazardous conditions.

Facing with the ferociousness of nature can be hard enough for Australian fire crews, but in a surprisingly large number of blazes they also have to contend with the warped minds of the firebugs.

Of the 60,000 bushfires in Australia each year, 9% are lit deliberately, according to figures compiled by the Australian Institute of Criminology. Another 21% are considered suspicious.

Then there are the fires where the source of ignition is unknown, which has led researchers to believe that as many as half of all bushfires maybe started deliberately.

A major blaze on Black Saturday in 2009, which alone killed 10 people and destroyed 150 homes, was the work of an arsonist. For setting alight what became known as the Churchill fire, Brendan Sokaluk was sentenced to 17 years in prison.

Not unusually for a "firebug", Sokaluk had once been a volunteer in the rural fire service.

The tough sentence meted out to Sokaluk, however, appears to have had little deterrent effect.

In South Australia, one of the states most prone to fire activity, the police reckon that 50 fires were started deliberately between the beginning of September and the end of December and that 60 were suspicious. And the worst of the Australian fire season usually comes in January and February.

Building an accurate psychological profile of firebugs has proved difficult because so few are apprehended - it is estimated that just 1% of arsonists who start bushfires are caught and convicted.

Overwhelmingly, they are male. Normally they have a history of disturbed and also fire-related behaviour. They tend to be loners, and often are unemployed.

"As children, they may have made false alarm calls to the fire service," explains Prof Katarina Fritzon, who runs the Australian Centre for Arson Research and Treatment (ACART) at Bond University in Queensland.

"They will not have completed their formal schooling, they might have been expelled from school and there's usually a history of grudges against people and disgruntlement with society."

"They're not good at social relationships," says Janet Stanley from Monash University in Melbourne, another bushfire arson expert. "They're disengaged from society and often they've had a rough trot in life." Often, firebugs are unaware of the potentially grave consequences of their actions.

Here, they differ from urban arsonists, many of whom act out of revenge against a specific target or set out to defraud insurance companies.

"Firebugs have a wider range of motivations," she says. "Sometimes it can be a cry for help. Sometimes it can be attention seeking."

Shocking as it sounds that volunteer firemen are sometimes also firebugs, it is not an unfamiliar phenomenon.

"If you've got a propensity to light fires, then you are likely to be attracted to the chaos they cause," says Janet Stanley. "It's an obvious organisation to join if you want to light fires and put them out."

Because fires are often started in secluded areas of bushland, catching arsonists in the act can be extraordinarily difficult. Even so, they often leave behind clues in the mistaken belief that the flames will incinerate all the evidence.

"They sometimes leave behind petrol cans, thinking the fire will destroy them," says Prof Fritzon, "but they don't. Fingerprints are left behind." Still, a major problem for police is that many arsonists believe they will not be apprehended.

"There's a perception that because of the remoteness, it's hard to get caught," says Prof Fritzon.

To combat the threat from firebugs, law enforcement agencies mainly rely on preventative measures. Ahead of particularly hazardous days, police visit known potential offenders to warn that they are under surveillance.

In South Australia, as part of a strategy called Operation Nomad, the car number plates of known arsonists are uploaded so that traffic cameras in areas prone to bushfires can alert local police. Patrols are stepped up in areas favoured by firebugs, such as the Adelaide Hills, on the edge of the state capital.

Under Operation Nomad, South Australian police have identified 278 "persons of interest", of whom 33 are considered high risk. Western Australia, under a programme called Strike Force Vulcan, has identified 36 high-risk offenders.

Despite the prevalence of firebugs, experts say that Australia does not do a good job of understanding or treating them. Complaining of a paucity of research, they note that Australia has fallen a long way behind America and Britain in this field, despite being such a fire-prone country.

There is also a lack of treatment facilities. "We haven't got a sophisticated enough mental health system," says Janet Stanley. "Arsonists tend to get imprisoned rather than treated."

So Australia is still a long way from fully understanding the minds of some of summer's most dangerous criminals.

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 2:31 pm
by Timster
Gob wrote:
The term sounds deceptively friendly, like a character from a children's cartoon, but "firebugs" are the scourge of the southern Australian summer.

They are the arsonists who set alight bushfires, and who often strike on days when soaring temperatures and high winds combine to create the most hazardous conditions.

Facing with the ferociousness of nature can be hard enough for Australian fire crews, but in a surprisingly large number of blazes they also have to contend with the warped minds of the firebugs.

Of the 60,000 bushfires in Australia each year, 9% are lit deliberately, according to figures compiled by the Australian Institute of Criminology. Another 21% are considered suspicious.

Then there are the fires where the source of ignition is unknown, which has led researchers to believe that as many as half of all bushfires maybe started deliberately.

A major blaze on Black Saturday in 2009, which alone killed 10 people and destroyed 150 homes, was the work of an arsonist. For setting alight what became known as the Churchill fire, Brendan Sokaluk was sentenced to 17 years in prison.

Not unusually for a "firebug", Sokaluk had once been a volunteer in the rural fire service.

The tough sentence meted out to Sokaluk, however, appears to have had little deterrent effect.

In South Australia, one of the states most prone to fire activity, the police reckon that 50 fires were started deliberately between the beginning of September and the end of December and that 60 were suspicious. And the worst of the Australian fire season usually comes in January and February.

Building an accurate psychological profile of firebugs has proved difficult because so few are apprehended - it is estimated that just 1% of arsonists who start bushfires are caught and convicted.

Overwhelmingly, they are male. Normally they have a history of disturbed and also fire-related behaviour. They tend to be loners, and often are unemployed.

"As children, they may have made false alarm calls to the fire service," explains Prof Katarina Fritzon, who runs the Australian Centre for Arson Research and Treatment (ACART) at Bond University in Queensland.

"They will not have completed their formal schooling, they might have been expelled from school and there's usually a history of grudges against people and disgruntlement with society."

"They're not good at social relationships," says Janet Stanley from Monash University in Melbourne, another bushfire arson expert. "They're disengaged from society and often they've had a rough trot in life." Often, firebugs are unaware of the potentially grave consequences of their actions.

Here, they differ from urban arsonists, many of whom act out of revenge against a specific target or set out to defraud insurance companies.

"Firebugs have a wider range of motivations," she says. "Sometimes it can be a cry for help. Sometimes it can be attention seeking."

Shocking as it sounds that volunteer firemen are sometimes also firebugs, it is not an unfamiliar phenomenon.

"If you've got a propensity to light fires, then you are likely to be attracted to the chaos they cause," says Janet Stanley. "It's an obvious organisation to join if you want to light fires and put them out."

Because fires are often started in secluded areas of bushland, catching arsonists in the act can be extraordinarily difficult. Even so, they often leave behind clues in the mistaken belief that the flames will incinerate all the evidence.

"They sometimes leave behind petrol cans, thinking the fire will destroy them," says Prof Fritzon, "but they don't. Fingerprints are left behind." Still, a major problem for police is that many arsonists believe they will not be apprehended.

"There's a perception that because of the remoteness, it's hard to get caught," says Prof Fritzon.

To combat the threat from firebugs, law enforcement agencies mainly rely on preventative measures. Ahead of particularly hazardous days, police visit known potential offenders to warn that they are under surveillance.

In South Australia, as part of a strategy called Operation Nomad, the car number plates of known arsonists are uploaded so that traffic cameras in areas prone to bushfires can alert local police. Patrols are stepped up in areas favoured by firebugs, such as the Adelaide Hills, on the edge of the state capital.

Under Operation Nomad, South Australian police have identified 278 "persons of interest", of whom 33 are considered high risk. Western Australia, under a programme called Strike Force Vulcan, has identified 36 high-risk offenders.

Despite the prevalence of firebugs, experts say that Australia does not do a good job of understanding or treating them. Complaining of a paucity of research, they note that Australia has fallen a long way behind America and Britain in this field, despite being such a fire-prone country.

There is also a lack of treatment facilities. "We haven't got a sophisticated enough mental health system," says Janet Stanley. "Arsonists tend to get imprisoned rather than treated."

So Australia is still a long way from fully understanding the minds of some of summer's most dangerous criminals.
Hmmmm. The irony is too thick to ignore. The only rational and logical solution is to BAN All Matches and Lighters.

Surely this restriction upon the 99.9% of law abiding citizens of your fine Country will stop these "Fire Bugs" dead in their tracks.

Dang~ I wish that America could compete with such clever and innovated an above all effective Legislation. :fu :lol:

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 3:49 pm
by Lord Jim
The only rational and logical solution is to BAN All Matches and Lighters.
I think that's an excellent suggestion Tim...

And they may want to ban magnifying glasses while they're at it...(very easy to start a fire with those, if it's a sunny day) it's a small price to pay...

Of course the arsonists will still be able to start fires rubbing two sticks together, but that requires a level patience and expertise that probably most of the little pyros don't possess....

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:36 pm
by Timster
Indeed, Jim. I did not ponder that possibility. Perhaps we should revisit the question.

If magnifying glasses were outlawed... than Ants would be very happy... Ok. That's just nonsense. However. Where does one stop?

Hammers kill more people every year than guns in America. Where is the outrage? The Legislation? To outlaw hammers?

Drunk drivers kill more people than hammers. Why do we not outlaw cars whilst making liquor legal? Just saying. :shrug

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 4:57 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
Of course the arsonists will still be able to start fires rubbing two sticks together, but that requires a level patience and expertise that probably most of the little pyros don't possess....
You would be surprised at the level of patience and expertise that pyros possess. I was a volly and there were a few pyros (two I know of) that were very precise in their planning and carrying out of the ensuing blaze. One could tell you pretty much to the second, when the fire would become a full blaze and when it would spread to the neighboring buildings. They know.

Of course we don't know who set these fires, amatures or professionals.

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:30 pm
by Econoline
Timster wrote:Hammers kill more people every year than guns in America.
:bsf: Only if 496 (which also includes clubs and other blunt instruments, BTW) is more than 31,940...:roll:






(Jeez, some people will believe anything....)

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:23 am
by rubato
36,000 motor vehicle deaths in the US in 2009. It would be higher but we sensibly require people to register cars, have valid licenses to drive them, and have insurance.

If we did all 3 for guns there would be fewer deaths.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 1:28 am
by rubato
But back to the OP. I have a particular hatred of arson and arsonists; the devastation caused by fires is total, completely beyond control, and pitiless.

yrs,
rubato

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 7:48 am
by Timster
rubato wrote:36,000 motor vehicle deaths in the US in 2009. It would be higher but we sensibly require people to register cars, have valid licenses to drive them, and have insurance.

If we did all 3 for guns there would be fewer deaths.

yrs,
rubato
What the fuck was that? You know, for a person that represents himself as a scientist and a student and adherent of empirical research? You totally suck. Are you fucking joking? Listen to me closely. The entire debate surrounding the Second amendment debate is PRECISELY that WE as a people have the right to bear Arms. The knee jerk emotional visceral reaction to an isolated tradegy is only a vehicle being manipulated by the Government to try to pass laws that ONLY AFFECT LAW ABIDING CITIZENS is the entire point you fucking tool. The Government wants to disarm the General populace. This retarded mindset that you so ignorantly and willfully display is simply advancing that agenda exponentially. Shame on you for not doing your due diligence.

Your post perfectly reflects the misbegotten belief that if firearms are "regulated" that the problem of gun violence will magically disappear. You are dead wrong.


ETA: Econoline- Grow a sense of humor. Which would include a grasp of sarcasm and irony. Life is too short. Notice that I not once stated that Rube was more dangerous than a box of hammers... :fu :fu :lol: :lol: 8-)

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 8:57 am
by Sean
Timster wrote: ETA: Econoline- Grow a sense of humor. Which would include a grasp of sarcasm and irony. Life is too short. Notice that I not once stated that Rube was more dangerous than a box of hammers... :fu :fu :lol: :lol: 8-)
Unfortunately Tim there are far too many muppets out there who would advance the absurd argument that if guns (primary purpose: killing) are banned then hammers (primary purpose: repairing delicate electronic equipment) should be banned too...

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:43 am
by Timster
What can I say? Obviously another perfect analogy. :ok :D

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:41 pm
by Guinevere
Fuck you both -- the empirical evidence in countries that have done it, is that where gun restrictions are tightened and gun access is limited, gun violence goes down. We have too many guns in the country, period.

It's not funny. It's not about gun nuts versus peaceniks. It's not about the government making a power grab. Its about making our country safer, for everyone. It won't happen over night, but if we don't do something now, if we don't start somewhere, its never going to happen at all.

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 3:59 pm
by dales
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Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:14 pm
by Joe Guy
There's only one way to deal with bad guys with guns...

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Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 4:57 pm
by dgs49
Guin, explain why gun violence has not been "eliminated" in Washington, D.C.

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:19 pm
by Lord Jim
She'll probably blame it on Virginia, even though Virginia has consistently had lower rates of homicide than DC, which makes the whole, "The only reason gun control laws failed to lower homicide rates in DC is because they brought the guns in from Virginia" a little weak....

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 9:31 pm
by dales
More of a "cultural behaviour"....I'd wager.

Look at Oakland, Detroit, Chicago (strict gun laws/out of control crime).

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:15 pm
by Crackpot
Detroit has strict gun laws? News to me

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:18 pm
by dales
As compared with NV, AZ, etc.

Re: Set fire to them

Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 10:46 pm
by Crackpot
Just how do you arrive at this conclusion?