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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/06/world ... .html?_r=0
President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela Dies at Age 58

By WILLIAM NEUMAN

Published: March 5, 2013


CARACAS, Venezuela — President Hugo Chávez of Venezuela died Tuesday afternoon after a long battle with cancer, the government announced, leaving behind a bitterly divided nation in the grip of a political crisis that grew more acute as he languished for weeks, silent and out of sight in hospitals in Havana and Caracas.


His departure from a country he dominated for 14 years casts into doubt the future of his socialist revolution. It alters the political balance in Venezuela, the fourth-largest foreign oil supplier to the United States, and in Latin America, where Mr. Chávez led a group of nations intent on reducing American influence in the region.

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Lets hope that SOB Fidel is next! :evil:

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My my, that's an awful shame...

How long do you suppose it will be before conspiracy kookaboos in the blogasphere start claiming that the CIA (or the NSA, or some other US bogeyman) somehow had him "offed"?
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It didn't take long... and it comes not from the blog loonies, (for whom I am sure it will become an article of faith) but from Venezuela's kookaboo new president :
Venezuela VP: Chavez's cancer was an 'attack' by his enemies

By Tracy Connor, Staff Writer, NBC News

Hours before Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez died, his second-in-command accused enemies of giving him cancer and announced the expulsion of two U.S. diplomats for an alleged plot to destabilize the government.

"There's no doubt that Commandante Chavez's health came under attack by the enemy," Vice President Nicolas Maduro said in an address to the nation from the presidential palace.

"The old enemies of our fatherland looked for a way to harm his health,'' according to Maduro, drawing a parallel to the illness and 2004 death of Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat, which some supporters blamed on poisoning by Israeli agents.


He said a special commission would investigate how Chavez, 58, ended up with the unspecified cancer that months of chemotherapy and radiation and four surgeries failed to tame.

State Department spokesman Patrick Ventrell said in a statement it was "absurd" to suggest that the U.S. was somehow involved in Chavez's illness.

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Couldn't have happened to a nicer fella...
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Shame, he seemed like a guy who did a lot of good for his country.
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Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is

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Keld, you know you can't believe anything that comes from those right-wing troglodytes at Human Rights Watch....
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Shhh, I thought I could slip it by...
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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Venezuela expels US diplomat for 'espionage'

Well I guess it's a good thing that there will be no actual interruption in all that good will...
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I prefer a more bolshevik source.
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Check under your bed Jim.
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Chavez was a wanna-be dictator, a tin-plated popinjay with delusions of godhood. The world is a better place and I hope he died in agony.
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Will Jimmy Carter be attending the funeral?

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Jarlaxle wrote:Chavez was a wanna-be dictator, a tin-plated popinjay with delusions of godhood. The world is a better place and I hope he died in agony.
No "wanna-be" about it. He was a dictator, he just didn't want to be seen as one.

And after reading the BBC piece I wouldn't call it a "bolshevik" source, but it does make me think that the Beeb must have some sort of blanket policy about not speaking ill of the dead...
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Econoline wrote:He was a dictator, he just didn't want to be seen as one.

And after reading the BBC piece I wouldn't call it a "bolshevik" source, but it does make me think that the Beeb must have some sort of blanket policy about not speaking ill of the dead...
Despite plenty of criticism from political opponents, Mr Chavez triumphed repeatedly at the ballot box and he successfully overcame a coup attempt against him in 2002.

Venezuela today has the fairest income distribution in Latin America.

In more than 13 years of government, Hugo Chavez launched an array of programmes designed to improve the lives of the country's poor.

Celia Ramos says her life improved under Hugo Chavez His "Barrio Adentro" scheme brought hundreds of Cuban medics to Venezuela to staff new health centres in some of the country's poorest neighbourhoods.

Some of the tens of thousands of hectares of land that he expropriated from multinational companies were given over to aspiring farmers for subsistence agriculture.

He built an innovative cable car system so that slum-dwellers in Caracas whose houses were built precariously on hillsides, could more easily access the centre of the capital.

What all these schemes achieved, beyond their simple stated aims, was to raise the profile of a sector of Venezuelan society that had hitherto been neglected.

Even opposition supporters admit his work to address social inequalities was important.

"In 1999, things were very unfair and we needed a Chavez," said Ana, a well-to-do lawyer.

He gave a voice and identity to the poor, not just at home but also on the international stage.

He was a determined advocate of South-South dialogue, building close relations with ideologically like-minded presidents across Latin America.

He raised the profile of Venezuela into that of an international player, forming alliances with anyone who opposed the US (Iran, North Korea, Libya under Muammar Gaddafi).

"Within his administration he gave opportunities to people who would never have had them otherwise," said political analyst Carlos Romero
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”

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CNN) -- Venezuela's authoritarian president Hugo Chavez is a villain out of a Batman movie: buffoonish and sinister in equal measure.

Sunday's vote result powerfully exposes both sides of his clown-prince system of rule.

For weeks before the vote, Chavez signaled a willingness to surrender power, should the result go against him. On Election Day itself, he gave the Venezuelan newspaper El Universal a quote indicating he foresaw the possibility of defeat.

"Let's get ready to recognize the results, whatever they are," he said..

And yet just a few hours later, Venezuela's Election Agency showed Chavez winning massively, by nearly 10 percentage points. Is the result legitimate? That's hard to say. Venezuela has not invited any international election observers since 2006 and anomalies have been observed in past votes, especially the 2004 referendum to recall Chavez from the presidency

Yet it should also be said: In Venezuela, the most important forms of vote fraud happen well before Election Day.

First, the Chavez regime systematically controls and manipulates the mass media, especially television. Francisco Toro, founder of the indispensable Caracas Chronicle blog writes in the New Republic:

"Three minutes per day per broadcast outlet. That's how much advertising each candidate is allowed in Venezuela in the weeks leading up to a presidential election. That's six 30-second spots, no more. To long-suffering TV watchers in U.S. battleground states, that must sound like paradise. There's a catch, though. While each candidate's campaign is allowed no more than three minutes, the government can run as many 'institutional' ads as it wants to promote its work. And in Chávez-era Venezuela, such ads are generally indistinguishable from the official campaign ads, down to using designed-to-look-alike logos."


Apart from campaign ads, however, the president himself can commandeer as much TV time as he wishes, although in the case of the long-winded Chavez, such appearances may not be vote-winners. More relevant to the success of the president's messaging is the regime's habit of seizing TV stations that broadcast journalism of which the authorities disapprove.

Along with state media control goes massive government vote-buying.

The Los Angeles Times reports: "Chavez in recent months has solidified his support base with massive giveaway programs, including one that aims to build 200,000 housing units for Venezuela's poor. Another, called Mi Casa Bien Equipada, or My Well-Equipped House, has donated Chinese-made household appliances to tens of thousands of poor families."

The use of state oil funds for this kind of electioneering is driving Venezuela's budget deficit for the year to the astounding level of 20% of GDP, an incredible figure for an oil-exporting economy at a time of very high oil prices. (Context: The U.S. budget deficits that have so alarmed people during the Obama years never reached as much as 9% of GDP.)

Venezuelan politics is distorted most of all by a pervasive mood of threat.

I visited Venezuela in 2010. My visit began with a briefing at the U.S. Embassy. "You've been to Afghanistan?" Yes. "You've been to Iraq?" Yes. "Well, congratulations. This is the most dangerous place you've ever been."

Venezuala, with a population smaller than Canada's, suffers more homicides than the United States. Robberies at gunpoint -- "express kidnappings" as they are called -- are regular occurrences in middle-class neighborhoods. And if middle-class neighborhoods evince any disaffection from the regime, they lose what little police protection they have, or even discover the police suddenly abetting and aiding the criminals that prey upon their community.

Property is seized. Businesses are arbitrarily nationalized. Conversations are eavesdropped upon. The Internet is policed, at least to the best of the (very limited) ability of Venezuela's not very competent security forces.

Hugo Chavez has laid Venezuela's economy to waste. One of the world's great energy producers must turn its streetlamps off at night. One of the world's wealthiest exporters cannot afford to import enough food. One of the world's energy superpowers is seeing its production slowly dwindle away because of chronic under-investment in the oil fields and the loss of access to technology as foreign companies are harassed and expropriated.

Did Venezuela vote for more of the same? Chavez does have a militant populist constituency, and it's not impossible that the final result does reflect what the voters actually did. But then, Vladimir Putin wins elections, too, and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad won at least one. It is not elections alone that make a free society -- and a free society is what Venezuela long ago ceased to be.

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Yeah we know here one of the best signals of a deteriorating economy and society is when they start inviting Cuban doctors to come help.

Short term improvements (read "government give-aways") are easy - at the expense of long-term investment, infrastructure and international relationships. And another sign that your country is going tits-up is making it easier for the marginal population to get into the city centre...

(I may be joking about the last one)

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Hugo Chavez has laid Venezuela's economy to waste. One of the world's great energy producers must turn its streetlamps off at night. One of the world's wealthiest exporters cannot afford to import enough food. One of the world's energy superpowers is seeing its production slowly dwindle away because of chronic under-investment in the oil fields and the loss of access to technology as foreign companies are harassed and expropriated.
But they do advertise here (on LI at least) that if you need heating oil and cannot pay, Chevron (I think it's chevron) will help you out with free or discounted heating oil "courtesy of Chavez and Venezuela".
I kid you not.

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