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The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 2:08 am
by Gob
Furious that his 14-year-old son had been buying cannabis, Cenydd Nickels vowed to bring the dealer to justice.
His anger was made worse by the fact his mother had recently been violently mugged for the sake of just £6 to buy drugs.
But when the 53-year-old tracked down the culprit and carted him to a police station, officers were not interested.
They let the suspect walk free...and put Mr Nickels in the dock instead.
Their decision triggered a five-month, £100,000 legal battle that ended only when the Crown Prosecution Service decided to drop the charges without explanation.
Mr Nickels had confronted the drug dealer in a ‘sting’ operation at a park, having been promised by police they would be there to make an arrest.
No officers arrived and – following a fight – Mr Nickels, who is a dog warden and junior rugby coach, put the younger man in the boot of his car and drove to a police station.
The station was closed so he telephoned officers who arrived 20 minutes later.
To Mr Nickels’s horror, they arrested him for assault – even though the dealer told them he did not wish to press charges.
The next day he was charged with kidnap and causing actual bodily harm.
That led to ten court appearances until, at Swansea Crown Court last month, prosecutors decided to offer no evidence and he was formally acquitted of both charges.
One of his neighbours in Ystradgynlais, near Swansea, said: ‘Cenydd is a pillar of our community.
‘He’s there for young people week in week out at the rugby club and is well known in the area for being a lovely guy.
'No one here will have a bad word to say about him. It’s a joke that he was arrested in the first place. What a waste of everyone’s time and money.’
Mr Nickels posted an emotional message on Facebook about his arrest in January.
In it he said his mother had been left black and blue by her mugging ordeal and needed hospital treatment, including stitches, for her injuries.
He added: ‘I would like to take this opportunity to thank my family, county councillors, community councillors, scout leaders and the people who have supported me over the past few weeks.
‘We have won the battle, but not the war over drugs in our community. We must stick together and keep on top of the drug dealers and report them to the police, so that they will always be looking over their shoulder in future.
‘We as a community have to help the police to get rid of this scum and hope they will respond to our concerns.
'There will always be someone out there who will try to make money on the backs of our children by selling drugs to them.
‘They will cause misery and heartache to our families. Our community is worth protecting. Our children are worth protecting. Our children are worth fighting for.’
No one from Dyfed-Powys Police was available for comment yesterday.
Next time, don't bother with the cops, just beat the living shit out of him.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:22 am
by Joe Guy
The station was closed so he telephoned officers who arrived 20 minutes later.
The police station was closed?
What time do they close the hospitals over there?
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 3:30 am
by dales
What are the hours of the fire dept in case my home catches fire?
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Sat Jun 08, 2013 8:20 am
by MajGenl.Meade
Cenydd
Well anyone who spells "Kenneth" like that deserves all he gets!

Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 11:39 am
by Lord Jim
Okay, I have to say I'm a little disappointed....
Sue? Scooter?
Surely
one of you wants to come forward to assert that this was perfectly justifiable...
"
Of course Nickels should have been arrested...a trouble making vigilante,
clearly guilty of assault...we need to get that type off the streets"

Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:28 pm
by dgs49
Actually, a veritable cornucopia of intentional torts: assault, battery, intentional infliction of emotional distress, false imprisonment...maybe even defamation.
Dealer shoulda sued his ass.
But it's not too late. Tune in later.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:10 pm
by Lord Jim
Apparently in this case, the drug dealer had a greater sense morality and basic decency then the authorities did....
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:29 am
by Jarlaxle
I'm surprised he wasn't charged with kidnapping. He should have been.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 4:15 am
by Gob
He was!!
Gob wrote:
The next day he was charged with kidnap and causing actual bodily harm.
That led to ten court appearances until, at Swansea Crown Court last month, prosecutors decided to offer no evidence and he was formally acquitted of both charges.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:18 pm
by Sue U
Lord Jim wrote:Okay, I have to say I'm a little disappointed....
Sue? Scooter?
Surely
one of you wants to come forward to assert that this was perfectly justifiable...
"
Of course Nickels should have been arrested...a trouble making vigilante,
clearly guilty of assault...we need to get that type off the streets"

Okay, let's see, a 14-year-old kid buys some weed. (I'm shocked, shocked! How could such a thing even happen?!???!!!) So his dad tracks down and beats up the guy who sold it to him, kidnaps him by shoving him into a car trunk (or "boot," 'cause he's, y'know, one of
those people), and drives around keeping him a prisoner until the cops show up to actually enforce the law (which even in Wales I'm pretty sure clearly prohibits assault, battery, kidnapping, false imprisonment, terroristic threats, etc., unless maybe we're talking about sheep). Aside from all the obvious problems of vigilantism and individuals acting as a law unto themselves, exactly what part of anything this guy did is justified? He was pissed off because someone
else had mugged his mother. How does that possibly warrant attacking some guy who had nothing to do with it? It's the George W. Bush doctrine writ small.
This is not even close to the "outrage" the tabloid press usually manufactures for its readers. Shoddy work all around.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:37 pm
by Crackpot
I suspect the reason the charges were dropped was if they pursued charges in this case they would only leave the cops looking really bad seeing as they didn't bother showing up to their own sting leaving a civilian to fend for himself etc.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:23 pm
by Sue U
If they had ever agreed to do any such thing -- which seems highly unlikely, given that no professional police force would use an untrained and wholly unqualified community resident -- particularly one with a grudge -- as the point man (that would be pretty much an instant dismissal of any charge right there), and there would have to have been at least some minimal planning and coordination before any "sting" could ever have been executed -- even if only to say "We'll wait over there until we hear you say, 'swordfish.'"
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:54 pm
by Jarlaxle
Gob wrote:He was!!
Gob wrote:
The next day he was charged with kidnap and causing actual bodily harm.
That led to ten court appearances until, at Swansea Crown Court last month, prosecutors decided to offer no evidence and he was formally acquitted of both charges.
He should have spent a very long time in a cell. Life without parole is not inappropriate here.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 11:06 pm
by Crackpot
Sue U wrote:If they had ever agreed to do any such thing -- which seems highly unlikely, given that no professional police force.....
Say no more
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:21 am
by Gob
A businessman who confronted suspected burglars raiding his premises at night could be jailed after he grabbed one of the gang’s weapons and used it to fight back.
Andrew Woodhouse, 43, claims he was chasing thieves off his property when one of them ‘came at’ him with a wooden stick. In the scuffle, he managed to grab the stick and used it to injure the man’s legs before holding him down and screaming at his wife to call the police.
After a series of burglaries at his paving firm in Abergavenny, South Wales, Mr Woodhouse thought he might finally have helped to bring one of the robbers to justice. But then police arrested Mr Woodhouse as well and held him in a cell for 18 hours. He has been charged with grievous bodily harm with intent and will appear before magistrates on Thursday, along with the two men he apprehended.
‘I was scared. It was pitch dark, they had hoods on and I was getting hit,’ the father of five said last night.
‘I can’t see what else I could have done. I thought it was a man’s right to protect his property. I’ll fight to clear my name.’ While the law was changed a few months ago to protect those who use force against burglars, the rules apply only at home, not if thieves are chased outside. Mr Woodhouse’s case has led to calls for the Crown Prosecution Service to show ‘common sense’ in dealing with those who defend themselves outside, with MPs calling the decision to prosecute him ‘astonishing’.
If found guilty, he could face a sentence of life imprisonment.
Mr Woodhouse was in bed with his wife Lisa at their detached home in the village of Govilon when his burglar alarm went off at about 12.30am. The alarm is fitted to his business premises on an industrial estate a mile from his six-bedroom £350,000 home.
He drove to the estate, where he saw two men trying to steal diesel from the engines of his fleet of vehicles. His wife, 42, said: ‘He shouted at them to stop and when they turned and ran he chased them.
‘One of them turned and faced Andrew. He was holding a stick. Andrew defended himself, he grabbed the stick off the bloke and whacked him with it. ‘The fellow was on the floor screaming at him. It all happened so quick, it was dark, I’m not sure anyone knew what was really going on.’
As Mr Woodhouse held Kevin Green, 52, the other alleged burglar, Timothy Cross, 31, is said to have returned with a third man, both carrying planks. Mrs Woodhouse had, by this time, also driven to the scene. She said: ‘When I got there Andrew was chasing one of the chaps. He saw me and shouted, “Get the police, get the police”.
Monmouth MP David Davies said he would raise the issue in Parliament
‘The police arrived and Andrew admitted he’d whacked the chap with the stick. The police said he had two broken legs and a broken wrist. They arrested Andrew and took him into custody. I didn’t see him until 6pm the next day.’ Police charged Mr Woodhouse with causing grievous bodily harm with intent because he used ‘unreasonable’ force. His wife said: ‘I fail to see where there was any intent on Andrew’s part. He didn’t intend to get up in the middle of the night to assault anyone. All he did was protect his property.
‘People may think he took the law into his own hands but what was he supposed to do, stand by and watch?’
Mr Woodhouse employs six staff including two of his sons at the family business, which was set up 20 years ago. The firm has lost £15,000 in recent years to thefts of diesel and tools. There is much support for him locally. He claims to have collected about 50 character references, including ones from a policeman and a priest.
MPs are calling on the CPS to drop the case against Mr Woodhouse and his local MP, Tory David Davies, said he would raise the issue in Parliament.
‘If someone came at him with a piece of wood, my sympathy is with the hard-working businessman, not with the people breaking into his property,’ he added. Gwent Police said the 52-year-old man arrested at the scene had been taken to hospital with ‘serious leg and arm injuries’. A spokesman added that the decision to charge Mr Woodhouse was taken after CPS advice.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:09 am
by Reality Bytes
They were right to charge him and I cannot see how he can possibly claim self defense he's admitted that the thieves were running away so he wasn't being threatened it was only when he chased after them that the one guy turned on him with a "stick". His wife claims that he got hit with the stick but took it away from the thief and hit him with it - yet Mr Woodhouse doesn't appear to have suffered any injuries whilst the thief ends up with 2 broken legs and a broken wrist. One broken leg or a broken wrist he probably would have got away with but not all 3 that suggests a wee bit more than just defending yourself - defending against what exactly? An unarmed man presumably one you just injured who according to the wife was lying on the floor screaming. Sounds to me like he hit the guy more than once and with a great deal of force to break 3 lots of bones. I have no sympathy for the thief at all but from whats been reported by the Daily Nazi neither self defense nor reasonable force seems to apply to Mr Woodhouse.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 8:16 am
by TPFKA@W
Wow. Just wow. I am so glad I live in this country.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:24 pm
by oldr_n_wsr
One wack with a stick cn break both legs. Wriost could be from falling.
I too am glad I live in this country.
Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:55 pm
by Miles
Now wait try to remember the Brits consider themselves to be more civilized than us.

Re: The topsy turvey world of British justice
Posted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:12 pm
by Joe Guy
His wife said: ‘I fail to see where there was any intent on Andrew’s part. He didn’t intend to get up in the middle of the night to assault anyone. All he did was protect his property.
He chased and broke one of the guys' legs and wrist. That sounds like 'unreasonable force' to me.
Although I'd probably do the same thing...
