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On my car this fall...

What does Gomer say?

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Bay Bridge opening postponed indefinitely due to retrofit delays

Transportation officials announced on Monday that they would postpone opening the new San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge eastern span indefinitely due to delays in completing the retrofit for broken bolts on the eastern pier of its suspension span.

The new bridge had been scheduled to open on Labor Day weekend.

In a written statement, members of the Toll Bridge Program Oversight Committee - which oversees construction - said that they expect completion by Dec. 10 of the steel "saddle" retrofit, designed to hold down seismic equipment that the broken bolts were meant to secure.

A new opening date will be selected "based upon actual completion of the east pier retrofit work,"[Santa for sure won't be using the new bridge this year, and I'll be very surprised if the Easter Bunny gets to hop across it next year] weather, impact on traffic and other factors, the group noted. The opening might not coincide with a holiday weekend, "and may involve shorter advance notice to the public than prior closures."

The painful decision, made after months of deliberation, is the latest setback for the troubled $6.4 billion span, the subject of numerous construction and testing lapses, and cost overruns.

The move ends any lingering hopes for a long-planned, multimillion-dollar celebration of the span's triumphal opening over the holiday weekend.

State Sen. Anthony Cannella, R-Ceres, a civil engineer and a member of the Transportation and Housing Committee, praised the decision.

"We should take as long as needed to make sure that bridge is safe," he said.

In its 130-page report, the oversight group confirmed that hydrogen contamination caused brittleness in the bolts under high tension, causing them to break. It deemed other high-strength steel rods that secure seismic gear on the same pier safe to leave in place until after the new span opens, given that "the risk of near-term hydrogen embrittlement has passed," and "the safety imperative of moving traffic off the seismically deficient existing East Span Bridge."

Thousands of other parts - which, like the broken bolts, were built to a specification ill-suited for a marine environment - [ :shrug :roll: ]were deemed safe because they are not under high tension.

Tension might be reduced for 414 massive rods that affix the new span's tower to its foundation. Dehumidifiers will also be installed or augmented to further reduce corrosion risks in that location and others.

One remaining test, dubbed the "wet test" because it includes soaking bolt samples in a concentrated salt solution to mimic the effects of longer-term corrosion, will be completed before Dec. 10,[Stay tuned for new delays after those tests...afterall, the bridge wasn't designed for a "marine environment"] said Metropolitan Transportation Commission spokesman Randy Rentschler. The report's conclusions could be revised based on the results.

The oversight group - which comprises MTC Executive Director Steve Heminger, state Department of Transportation Director Malcolm Dougherty and California Transportation Commission Executive Director Andre Boutros - for the first time assigned blame for the bolt problems to Caltrans and several contractors.

They faulted construction practices that allowed water to collect and stand around portions of the bolts that later broke, which "may have exacerbated the embrittlement." The report also blamed "inadequate consideration of alternative corrosion protection treatments, given well-known concerns about the risk of hydrogen embrittlement ... ."

Rentschler said that Caltrans would seek monetary damages from T.Y. Lin International/Moffatt & Nichol, the joint venture that designed the suspension span; and from American Bridge/Fluor, the joint venture that served as prime building contractor. The amounts that might be recouped have not yet been determined.

Assemblyman Marc Levine, D-San Rafael, said that any performance incentives to contractors should be re-examined to ensure that they are not paid "for something that the public's not getting."

Levine and Cannella expressed concern that the report did not address other problems with the span revealed in Sacramento Bee investigations. Those include corroded tendons in the skyway viaduct that some experts believe could affect its durability in a quake or during normal use.

Nor did the report discuss possibly weak concrete in the tower foundation, currently under review by an expert panel assembled by the state Legislative Analyst's Office, or repairs to 33-foot-long welds at the tower base, essential for seismic stability. The agency has so far refused to supply details on the faulty welds.[I suspect the opening day delay will be measured in years, not months....My son will be probably able to drive across it the day it opens...]

Stuart Werner, a seismic engineering expert who has worked on many Caltrans projects, and a recipient of the Lifeline Earthquake Engineering Award from the American Society of Civil Engineers, said in an email that "the problems with the bridge's bolts, tendons, concrete and welds could adversely affect the ability of the bridge to perform in a satisfactory way during a major earthquake."

Rentschler said that these problems are under control.

"In some cases a fix is ongoing - that would be the welds," he said. "In others the issue has been settled - the tendons would in our view be in that category."

Given the additional time prior to the span's opening, Cannella and other elected officials said that all outstanding concerns should be addressed by a new, genuinely independent peer review panel, including critics of the span's construction process.

"We're going to learn from this, people are going to be held accountable and we're going to make sure this doesn't happen again on future projects,"
[ :lol: if you believe that I have a bridge I'd like to sell you...]
such as high-speed rail and the planned Delta tunnels, Cannella said.

David Campos, a San Francisco supervisor and member of the Metropolitan Transportation Commission, said that Caltrans' determination to move traffic off the old bridge as quickly as possible might prove misguided.

"It's not enough to provide a bridge that is safer than the old one. We should provide the public with a bridge that's worth the $6.4 billion investment that they made,"[Way too late for that, dude] he said. "So long as questions remain unanswered, I don't think we will have the level of trust we want."

A big part of the decision to build so costly a bridge, rather than a more utilitarian span, was to create an enduring icon. Missteps and doubts have jeopardized that lofty goal, Campos said.

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/07/08/555225 ... rylink=cpy
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I would LOVE to see a these nincompoops in stocks where we the public could hurl all manner of refuse at their pointed little heads. :lol:

eta: my parents and grandparents generation, the real CAN DO spirit of San Francisco has been replaced by lazy incompetent mutually-masturbating pigs at the trough mentality.

AND DON'T GET ME STARTED ON THOSE GAWDAMMED BART STRIKERS. :arg

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The move ends any lingering hopes for a long-planned, multimillion-dollar celebration of the span's triumphal opening over the holiday weekend.
they need to spend millions of dollars to open a bridge?
Why not just open the damn thing?

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oldr, by the time they finally open it, they'll be so embarrassed by all the delays, they will announce it with a one paragraph news release late on a Friday afternoon...

No politicians will want to show up to bask in the glory, since there will be no glory to bask in....
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[quote="dales"]

eta: my parents and grandparents generation, the real CAN DO spirit of San Francisco has been replaced by lazy incompetent mutually-masturbating pigs at the trough mentality.

Let's see...... What generation comes after our parents? ..... :D

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The Boomers, Joe...................who were spoiled beyond belief.

:nana .....so there!

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I resemble that statement.
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It makes me wonder why, with the thousands of bridges that were built before we got this smart, so few of them ever fall down.

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1980 – 09 May: Sunshine Skyway Bridge Struck by Ship – St. Petersburg, FL

1981 – 17 July: Hyatt Regency Skyway Bridge Collapse – Kansas City, MO

1982 – 13 January: 14th Street Bridge Collapse Struck by Airplane – Washington DC

1982 – 15 April: Cline Avenue Bridge Collapse during Construction – East Chicago, IN

1983 – 28 June: Mianus River Bridge Collapse Metal Fatigue – Greenwich, CT

1987 – 05 April: Schoharie Creek Bridge Collapse River Bed Scour – Ft. Hunter, NY

1989 – 01 April: Tennessee River Bridge Collapse Piling Failure – Memphis, TN

1989 – 17 October: Cypress Viaduct Collapse in Earthquake – Oakland, CA

1989 – 17 October: Oakland Bay Bridge Partial Collapse in Earthquake – San Francisco, CA

1989 – 28 October: Pedestrian Bridge Collapse Overloaded – Heber Springs, AR

1990 – 24 April: Lake Street Bridge Collapse During Construction – Minneapolis, MN

1990 – 25 November: Lacey Murrow Bridge Sunk Due to Heavy Flooding – Seattle, WA

1993 – 28 May: Claiborne Avenue Bridge Collapse Struck by Barge – New Orleans, LA

1993 – 22 September: CSXT Bridge Collapsed Struck by Barge – Mobile, LA

1995 – 10 March: I-5 Bridge Collapse Substructure Failure – Coalinga, CA

2000 – 13 December: Hoan Bridge Partial Collapse Brittle Steel Fatigue – Milwaukee, WI

2001 – 15 September: Queen Isabella Causeway Collapse Struck by Barge – South Padre Island, TX

2002 – 26 May: I-40 Bridge Collapse Struck by Barge – Webbers Falls, OK

2003 – 26 March: I-95 Bridge Collapse Traffic Crash Caused Fire – Bridgeport, CT

2003 – 06 July: Wimer Covered Bridge Collapsed When Pickup Truck Crossed it – Oregon

2003 – 21 July: Kinzua Bridge Collapse in Tornado – Kinza State Park, PA

2004 – 03 February: Igor Memorial Bridge Collapse During Removal – Hartford, CT

2004 – 16 February: Maumee River Bridge Collapsed During Construction – Toledo, OH

2006 – 15 September: Cableway used for New Hoover Dam Bridge Collapses – Hoover Dam – NV

2007 – 01 August: I-35 W Bridge Collapse During Repairs – Minneapolis, MN

2007 – 15 August: Harp Road Bridge Collapse Overloaded – Oakville, WA

2008 – 29 April: MacArthur Bridge Collapse Due to Traffic Crash Fire – Oakland, CA

2008 – 12 June: CRANDIC Bridge Collapse in Flood – Cedar Rapids, IA

2008 – 12 December: Oak Island Bridge Collapsed During Construction – Brunswick, NC

2009 – 15 July: 9 Mile Bridge Collapse Due to Traffic Crash Fire – Hazel Park, MI

2009 – 27 October: I-80 Bridge Partial Collapse Due to Tension Rod Failure – Oakland, CA



31 AVERAGE ONE BRIDGE EVERY EIGHT MONTHS (7.7419 Months)

Jan. 1, 2010 to July 7, 2012

2010 – 19 January: Southampton Road Bridge Collapses During Construction – Harford County, MD

2010 – 25 January: Walnut Street Bridge Collapsed Due to Age – Harrisburg, PA

2010 – 30 April: Texas 322 Bridge Collapsed When Struck by Truck – Longview, TX

2010 – 01 May: Stream Bridge Collapses After Heavy Rains – Madison County, TN

2010 – 07 June: Popo River Bridge Collapses Due to River Scour – Lander, WY

2010 – 15 June: Naugatuck River Bridge Collapse During Construction – Norfolk, CT

2010 – 18 June: Elkhorn River Bridge Collapsed Due to Scour – Norfolk, NE

2010 – 21 July: Salt Creek Pedestrian Bridge Collapses Due to Age – Lincoln, ME

2010 – 18 September: Brook Park Bridge Collapse During Construction – Brook Park, OH

2010 – 20 October: Elk Creek Bridge Collapse During Repairs – Brewster, MN

2010 – 19 November: Seneca River Bridge Collapses During Removal – Chicago, IL

2011 – 11 April: Conway Bridge Collapse Due to Overload – Conway, AR

2011 – 25 April: USH 169 Bridge Collapse During Construction – Ft. Dodge, IA

2011 – 28 June: Bolton Road Bridge Collapsed When Struck by Truck – Atlanta, GA

2011 – 16 July: Railroad Bridge Approach Collapsed Due To Flood – Fridley, MN

2011 – 31 July: Hwy 70 Overpass Collapses While Under Construction – Oronville, CA

2011 – 13 August: 17th Street Bridge Railing/Fence Collapsed onto roadway below – Atlanta, GA

2011 – 28 August: Rockaway River Bridge Collapses Due to Flood – Morris County, NJ

2011 – 28 August: Carrabassett River Bridge Collapsed – Flood, Scour – Carrabassett Valley, ME

2011 – 28 August: Bracket Brook Bridge Collapsed Due to Flood – Carrabassett Valley, ME

2012 – 26 January: Tennessee River Bridge Collapsed Struck by Barge – Eggner’s Ferry, KY

2012 – 19 February: Sabo Pedestrian Bridge Cable Failure (Constructed 2007) – Minneapolis, MN

2012 – 22 June: Devon Road Bridge Collapsed Due to Overload By Garbage Truck – Cinnaminson, NJ

2012 – 27 June: USH 310 Bridge Collapsed Due to Scour – Nassau County, FL

2012 – 29 June: Water Pipe Line Bridge (3 Lines) over River Collapsed Due to Age – Colts Neck, NJ

2012 – 05 July: Railroad Bridge Collapsed onto Street Due to Heat Rails – Chicago, IL

2012 – 05 July: Crane and Bridge Girder Collapsed During Girder Erection – Oshkosh, WI

27 AVERAGE ONE BRIDGE EVERY MONTH (1.0322 months)

Timothy G. Galarnyk, CEO of Construction Risk Management, developed the list of the bridges named above.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tacoma_Nar ... dge_(1940)

Didn't even last a year.


Great video, worth looking up on you tube.

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"Galloping Gertie" 8-)

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