Sherlock; utterly ruined.

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Sherlock; utterly ruined.

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I caught the "Final Problem" episode last night.

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What could have been a great episode was totally ruined by an Americanized ending. It was like a Tom Fucking Hanks movie, or an episode of friends.

Pile on the saccharine, overly-emotional music, add in the lovey dovey, give Greg Lestrade a black Sargent to spout respectful quotes about Sherlock too, (i'm surprised they didn't walk off into the sunset hand in hand,) uplifting messages from dead Mary, and all in all 2 minute of puerile dross.


Fuck it.
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How could it be an "Americanized ending?" It's a Brit show with Brit actors based on Brit literature.

And PS - I watched it too and it was simply a wrap up. Many writers, directors, and producers give in to that need, whether American, or otherwise.
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Sherlock is a co-production of the British network BBC and the American station WGBH Boston for its Masterpiece anthology series on PBS.
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Oh my dear, you're confusing Boston with the rest of America. Haven't you heard, this is the People's Republic. We're not amurikkans.......
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Old Darling, I'm surprised you didn't considered it "utterly ruined" a long time ago...

As I pointed out after Season 3:
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The first two sets of episodes were really the placing of classic Sherlock Holmes stories in a modern setting...

This one was not....It was much broader...

I suspect there's a reason for this...

My suspicion is that just as Johnny Lee Miller's Elementary would not have made it to the screen had it not been for Cumberbatch's Sherlock...the writers of Sherlock are now being influnced by the success of Elementary...

So to Strop our "faithful to the cannon" purists, I ask:

You didn't like a wealthy father being introduced to the story and saw that as a violation of faithfulness to the stories...

How do you feel about the introduction of two comical middle class geezers as Holmes' parents?....

You didn't like a female Watson....

How about a Watson who marries a woman, (carrying his child) who turns out to be a Ninja clad East European proffesional assassin?

Don't recall reading anything about that in the original stories....

(Or perhaps that one is based on the little known Conan Doyle story, The Case Of Watson's Peculiar Wife...)

Now personally I enjoyed all of that, but I imagine a Purist would be appalled...
After the first two installments, the show got campier and less devoted to "the cannon". The success of Elementary no doubt played a role in this, (as did Stephen Moffat's understanding of how to play for a larger commercial audience. )

Also to get Cumberbatch and Freeman (who have become big-time Hollywood types) to come back and reprise these roles for BBC wages, they probably had to broaden the appeal...

After the first two seasons they were doing parody...
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Cannon or not, at least they took a shot

(You're right, LJ - it jumped the shark long ago)
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I have to say, overall, I preferred the first two seasons.
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After the first two installments, the show got campier and less devoted to "the cannon". The success of Elementary no doubt played a role in this, (as did Stephen Moffat's understanding of how to play for a larger commercial audience. )

Also to get Cumberbatch and Freeman (who have become big-time Hollywood types) to come back and reprise these roles for BBC wages, they probably had to broaden the appeal...
Does "campiness" always broaden the appeal? I guess I'm so much outside the mainstream that I just don't understand that (and it's likely why I avoid a lot of series, even those on Netflix--I just lose my patience with the silliness).

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Camp is hard to do and even harder to do on purpose.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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I'll agree with that CP; most of the time I'll see what is described as/is foisted as "camp" being a little silliness to break the tension in a dramatic movie or show; it can be some sort of unrelated situation (maybe a clogged toilet or someone stepping in gum) or some banter between some of the characters, but it is set to bring the audience down (as if they couldn't stand the tension). I really don't understand why this is popular, but it certainly does appear to be what people enjoy.

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I'm only on episode 2 and already disappointed, so wondering if I should bother pressing on.

The first two seasons were brilliant but it's been going downhill since, I think.
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Meanwhile, the Vikings kicked some saxon ass big time last night.

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