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[The Hen]

Lo, if you can't follow the words Gob used, I don't think even Albert can assist you.

There is no simpler way to explain that Gob is stating 'the people he plays for are now (post) middle age, secure and affluent., expect for perhaps saying, the people he plays for are older, more secure and richer than they once were.

Does that help you?

[loCAtek]

Except that the people he plays for are young and old; likely less secure; and likely less rich than they were before.
Did you know that we're having the worst recession, since the Great Depression? Sorry, to have to inform you of that.

Oh 'Albert'...leave it alone already.

Okay... so, you haven't been to San Jose Stonehenge, you don't know you Mugwump is...

Who are you, really?

[PMS Princess]

With the prices for concert tickets these days?! Holy cow, Peter Gabriel tickets are $60 for the crappy seats!

as far as Lo's questions:

I stated previously that I hadn't been there. Why would I have gone to San Jose Stonehenge? I was at the outskirts of Delores Hidalgo the entire time. The only time I've gone to a tourist place was last year on a cruise to Ensenada.

I know that Mugwump is the freaky typewriter in Naked Lunch (fantastic movie!).

I don't know why you are using this thread and dumping odd questions at the end of your post. What does where I went and typewriter have to do with any of this?? Start a new thread about traveling with typewriters to Stone Henge on a blogger's convention, or whatever suits you.

I think I have been pretty clear who I am.

Back to the original topic shall we?

[Sean]

I think that lo has reached the point in her cycle when she starts trolling again PMSP.

That would explain the "educate me" and Einstein pics directed towards both me and Gob. Scoot should be getting his soon...

[PMS Princess]

[Gob]

Bruce Springsteen London tickets are now available for the Boss’s return to the capital as he takes to the Hyde Park stage as part of the 2012 Hard Rock Calling. Previous sell-out shows at the O2 Arena, Hyde Park and Arsenal's Emirates Stadium went down an absolute storm so expect more of the same from one of the world’s best live acts.

When 14 July 2012 2pm - 10:30pm

Where Hyde Park

Nearest Tube Hyde Park Corner

Cost £50.00 - £245.00 ($78.00 to $380 USD)

[loCAtek]

Yes, and his latest album was debuted at No. 1, meaning not just his old fanbase, but many more new ones bought it.

... a historic concert in the UK for the Diamond Jubilee = expensive. The rest of his tour dates; not so much.

[loCAtek]

So, PMSP you don't know the answers?

Of course not. Delores Hidalgo, spelled Dolores Hidalgo, is in México; where my Ex has never gone, and nowhere near San Jose, CA.


San Jose Stonehenge is where every local native has gone; they can't avoid it. It is our freeway cloverleaf, completed in the 70's. You won't find that on the net, as that's not its offical name. We called it that, because for a few years, it couldn't be funded and stood as concrete pylons in a big circle doing nothing. If you had grown up here as you had said; You'd know that.
If you were one of the few locals, who didn't know that; you could have asked my Ex - I've told him this trivia, personally.


My Ex is also familiar with Mugwump as his name for ...?


Why don't you ask him?

...

What was my nickname for him? I haven't uttered that to anyone else.

[Sean]

Okay... so not a stalker but an imposter?



Make your mind up lo!

[loCAtek]

Not yet, still investigating...

You gather evidence, then make a hypothesis; not the other way round. That's the scientific method.

[Sean]

Well in that case your stalker accusations came waaaaay before your 'investigation'.

[loCAtek]

'Eh? No accusations, it's what 'she' claimed;

Well judging by her first post it's not somebody who stumbled across the place by accident. Either that or she's spent weeks reading the whole board and familiarising herself with the members before joining.

Either way, welcome (back) PMS Princess!

Actually, while she has been trolling, I've been stalking!

(Funny, you forgot that, but...) I'm just investigating her claims.

[Sean]

Oh give it a rest lo!

[Guinevere]

Fair comments Sue. But the 70's are now long gone and Springsteen, like the people he plays for are now (post) middle age, secure and affluent. It's no longer "rock 'n' roll", more "nostalgia for people who didn't like their "rock" too edgey in the first place."

Don't get me wrong, it's still good quality, worthy music, with one or two tracks world class ("The River" leaps to mind.)

But he should be singing; "Dentists/accountants/lawyers like us, baby we were born to drive our BMW's" these days...

Getting back to the issue at hand:

Does no one but me see the irony of a middle-aged, affluent, secure man (who claims to love rock n roll, and be something of a musician himself) criticizing Springsteen and his fans for being middle-aged (or post), affluent, and secure?

Has anyone but me actually *been* to Springsteen shows in the last decade? I've been to a dozen, and I can say that while there is a certain element in the crowd that is around the same age as the Boss, the vast majority is my age or younger (and I'm not middle-aged, or post-middle aged thank you very much). And there are always a ton of teens and 20-somethings in the crowd as well. I'm sure some are very affluent, and plenty are not. Part of the joy of a Springsteen concert is the incredibly diverse crowds - some of the most diverse *I've* ever seen in a concert venue (I've seen him in 5 different venues, at least).

Is Springsteen himself post-middle age, affluent, and secure? Absolutely. Can you name me a successful musician who has been at it for the last 40+ years who isn't? Or even those who have been performing a lot shorter period of time. And BTW, at least over here, his concert tickets haven't crossed into the stratosphere that other performers have. Many over in the over $100 mark for large venues. I have not spent that on a ticket yet (and I saw him in March and am seeing him again in September).

As for edge - he is a story teller -- and I think generally that kind of music is always "less edgy" but it is still rock n roll. And the stories he tells are not about affluent, middle aged, white men, and yet the music still resonates, and has become even more political than ever before (and yet is loved by people of all political stripe, too). That tells me a lot about his stills and abilities, and the quality of the music. It is very very American, and to me --- far better, deeper, more complex, than the likes to someone like John Cougar (aka Mellancamp).

[The Hen]

Yes, and his latest album was debuted at No. 1, meaning not just his old fanbase, but many more new ones bought it.

If his entire original fan base bought the album, it would have gone number one many times over.

I can't see how the sales are any proof of his fan base expanding or potentially changing much.

There are many cashed up ol supporters out there that would immediately buy his album, even if it is crap. Nostalgia is always fashionable.

Where is your proof that his old fan base is too small to have caused his album to go to number one?

Jimmy Barnes has a local similarility to the boss and anytime he decides to releas esomething the history of the name and general support of the country will see it to number one.

[BoSoxGal]

No offense intended Guin, but if you're not middle aged, just how far past the average life expectancy for American women are you certain of living?

I'll be 42 in November; I'm middle aged.

Middle age, to clarify, is generally defined as ages 40-60.

I know you're older than me; sorry to break it to you, but you are a middle aged gal.

[Sue U]

Bruce Springsteen London tickets are now available for the Boss’s return to the capital as he takes to the Hyde Park stage as part of the 2012 Hard Rock Calling. Previous sell-out shows at the O2 Arena, Hyde Park and Arsenal's Emirates Stadium went down an absolute storm so expect more of the same from one of the world’s best live acts.

When 14 July 2012 2pm - 10:30pm

Where Hyde Park

Nearest Tube Hyde Park Corner

Cost £50.00 - £245.00 ($78.00 to $380 USD)

That cost appears to be pretty much in line with other big-name stadium/arena-filling rock acts. Neil Young is coming to Philadelphia in November (Patti Smith opens!), and tickets run from USD 53 for complete crap seats to USD 258, plus tax & services charges. By way of comparison, Madonna is coming next month and tix run up to $355 + tax & service charge; Aerosmith and Cheap Trick are playing tomorrow night, tix 50-150 USD; and poor Peter Gabriel (Sept 21), can only command a top ticket price of $150.

[Gob]

Getting back to the issue at hand:

Does no one but me see the irony of a middle-aged, affluent, secure man (who claims to love rock n roll, and be something of a musician himself) criticizing Springsteen and his fans for being middle-aged (or post), affluent, and secure?

It wasn't a criticism Guin, but a recognition. I would never deny all those things. I was just recognising, as you do below, that Bruce is no longer, as I believe he was around the release of "Born to run", a "Rock and Roll" artist, in what I believe to be the true definition of rock 'n' roll. In fact I believe there is very little music being produced today which would justify the label "rock 'n' roll". Possibly grunge was it's last gasp. That WE ALL are no longer the hairy, head banging, living on the edge, poor downtrodden, rebellious, kids of yore goes without saying.

As for edge - he is a story teller -- and I think generally that kind of music is always "less edgy" but it is still rock n roll. And the stories he tells are not about affluent, middle aged, white men, and yet the music still resonates, and has become even more political than ever before (and yet is loved by people of all political stripe, too). That tells me a lot about his stills and abilities, and the quality of the music. It is very very American, and to me --- far better, deeper, more complex, than the likes to someone like John Cougar (aka Mellancamp).

I understand, respect and agree with that view.

[dales]

San Jose Stonehenge is where every local native has gone; they can't avoid it. It is our freeway cloverleaf, completed in the 70's.

Wow, I'd forgotten all about that. I remember driving by that monstrosity on my way to San Diego in the early 1970's.

[Guinevere]

Getting back to the issue at hand:

Does no one but me see the irony of a middle-aged, affluent, secure man (who claims to love rock n roll, and be something of a musician himself) criticizing Springsteen and his fans for being middle-aged (or post), affluent, and secure?

It wasn't a criticism Guin, but a recognition. I would never deny all those things. I was just recognising, as you do below, that Bruce is no longer, as I believe he was around the release of "Born to run", a "Rock and Roll" artist, in what I believe to be the true definition of rock 'n' roll. In fact I believe there is very little music being produced today which would justify the label "rock 'n' roll". Possibly grunge was it's last gasp. That WE ALL are no longer the hairy, head banging, living on the edge, poor downtrodden, rebellious, kids of yore goes without saying.

As for edge - he is a story teller -- and I think generally that kind of music is always "less edgy" but it is still rock n roll. And the stories he tells are not about affluent, middle aged, white men, and yet the music still resonates, and has become even more political than ever before (and yet is loved by people of all political stripe, too). That tells me a lot about his stills and abilities, and the quality of the music. It is very very American, and to me --- far better, deeper, more complex, than the likes to someone like John Cougar (aka Mellancamp).

I understand, respect and agree with that view.

It must have been the prior "mercy killing" comment that made me think your entire perspective of Bruce was critical. Not to mention the use of the adjective "corporate."

I don't think the essence of his music is that far from where he started, but of course we all grow up and mature (most of us, anyway), which is kind of difficult to keep from spilling over into one's creative output.