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Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:33 pm
by Gob
A campaign has been launched to ban Sir Tom Jones' hit Delilah from being sung at Welsh rugby matches over claims it 'glorifies domestic violence'.



Senior politician Dafydd Iwan, 71, is leading a protest to ban the iconic ballad being sung by choirs at the Millennium Stadium in Cardiff, Wales, because he claims it depicts a brutal revenge killing of a woman. The campaign over the song, which has become an unofficial anthem for Welsh rugby fans, comes more than 40 years after it was first recorded by Sir Tom.

Bosses at the Welsh Rugby Union (WRU) have defended the hit by comparing its dark subject matter to the best of Shakespeare's works like Macbeth, Romeo and Juliet and Coriolanus. A spokesman said: 'Within rugby, Delilah has gained prominence through its musicality rather than because of its lyrics. 'There is however plenty of precedent in art and literature, prominently in Shakespearean tragedies for instance, for negative aspects of life to be portrayed.'

Mr Iwan, the former president of nationalist party Plaid Cymru and a renowned folk singer, said the song had become 'a secondary national anthem' sung by choirs before Welsh games. However, he said it should be replaced. He said: 'It is a song about murder and it does tend to trivialise the idea of murdering a woman and it's a pity these words now have been elevated to the status of a secondary national anthem.
'I think we should rummage around for another song instead of Delilah.'

Rugby chiefs at the WRU defended the record but said they would listen to a public debate about the matter. An WRU spokesman said: 'The Welsh Rugby Union condemns violence against women and has taken a lead role in police campaigns to highlight and combat the issue.
LYRICS: SIR TOM JONES' DELILAH
I saw the light on the night that I passed by her window
I saw the flickering shadows of love on her blind
She was my woman
As she deceived me I watched and went out of my mind

My, my, my, Delilah
Why, why, why, Delilah
I could see that girl was no good for me
But I was lost like a slave that no man could free

At break of day when that man drove away, I was waiting
I cross the street to her house and she opened the door
She stood there laughing
I felt the knife in my hand and she laughed no more

My, my, my Delilah
Why, why, why Delilah
So before they come to break down the door
Forgive me Delilah I just couldn’t take any more

'The WRU remains willing to listen to any strong public debate on the issue of censoring the use of Delilah but we have not been aware of any groundswell of opinion on this matter.' Tens of thousands of Welsh fans happily sing along to the hit, which has become an unofficial anthem for the Welsh rugby and football teams. Delilah was recorded by Sir Tom Jones in 1968 and reached number two in the charts before going on to become a Welsh favourite among fans.

Written by Barry Mason and Sylvan Whittingham, with music by Les Reed, the song earned Reed and Mason the 1968 Ivor Novello award for Best Song Musically and Lyrically. The WRU adopted the song - and often plays it before kick-off at games with the words being shown on the giant screens at the Cardiff stadium. Mr Iwan is not the first person to question the song's place in the nation's songbook.

Helen Mary Jones, chief executive of Youth Cymru, which supports youth work in Wales, has also claimed Delilah is offensive to female victims of domestic violence. But Welsh operatic star Wynne Evans, who is famous for starring as Gio Compario in the Gocompare.com insurance adverts, said Delilah played an important part in creating atmosphere among the fans. He said: 'Fans absolutely love it and I have been fortunate enough to sing at the stadium on a number of occasions. 'I think anything which brings the mojo and atmosphere into the stadium is good because when that stadium is quiet it is quiet - but when it is noisy there is nowhere else like it in the world.'

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 11:51 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
They should switch to the Beatles

Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or I won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end, little girl

Well I know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life
Trying just to make you toe the line

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end, little girl

Let this be a sermon
I mean everything I've said
Baby, I'm determined
And I'd rather see you dead

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:29 am
by Reality Bytes
Yeah well Dafydd if the terks hadn't decided to claim Yma O Hyd for themselves perhaps you might have succeeded in it being our 2nd anthem but thats never going to happen now that its linked so closely to one specific team, especially that particular team. You have about as much chance of stopping rugby fans singing Delilah at games as I do stopping George North from scoring a try ....

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 11:28 am
by wesw
maybe hank Williams....

"mind your own business"

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:38 pm
by Big RR
I'm trying to figure out where the song Delilah trivializes (sorry, trivializes) the idea of murdering a woman. Indeed, the entire song is about how he was driven crazy (went out of my mind) with jealousy and rage, and now facing the punishment (somehow I doubt it's the trivializers coming the break down the door and pat him on the back).

Pretty silly, but I guess Mr. Iwan is lobbying for one of his songs to replace it so he, too, can be knighted (Sir Tom Jones?), :shrug

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:21 pm
by Sue U
Could also switch from "Delilah" to "Hey Joe."

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:48 pm
by wesw
"under the willow tree"

nice gentle title

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:49 pm
by Lord Jim
Or replace it with "What's New Pussycat"...

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:52 pm
by Big RR
Sure, that's not offensive at all, right?

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:54 pm
by Lord Jim
Not to me... 8-)

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:57 pm
by Big RR
Well why not go and powder your cute little pussycat nose then?

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:09 pm
by wesw
...and get me a coffee!

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:13 pm
by Lord Jim
The 70's live!










Can you tell I'm bored? Is it noticeable? 8-)

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 5:53 pm
by Big RR
Do those pants come in a spray can?

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:27 pm
by Scooter
A roll-on applicator.

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:33 am
by TPFKA@W
is that a pickle in his pocket or is he just happy to see Jim?

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:49 am
by Lord Jim
I think he's got a sock in it....

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:50 am
by BoSoxGal
BoSox fans are so much more civilized:
Sweet Caroline

Where it began,
I can't begin to knowin'
But then I know it's growing strong

Was in the spring
And spring became the summer
Who'd have believed you'd come along.

Hands, touchin' hands
Reachin' out, touchin' me, touchin' you

Sweet Caroline
Good times never seemed so good
I've been inclined
To believe they never would
But now I...

...look at the night
And it don't seem so lonely
We fill it up with only two.

And when I hurt,
Hurtin' runs off my shoulders
How can I hurt when holding you?

Warm, touchin' warm
Reachin' out, touchin' me, touchin' you

Sweet Caroline
Good times never seemed so good
I've been inclined,
To believe they never would
Oh, no, no

Sweet Caroline
Good times never seemed so good
Sweet Caroline,
I believe they never could
Sweet Caroline
Good times never seemed so good
Sweet Caroline...

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 1:28 am
by wesw
sports and love have much in common. both take you to the highest highs when things go well, and to the lowest of lows when they don t. its life , its truth. no need to hide it or pretend it isn t in us.

Re: Forgive me Delilah

Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 12:36 pm
by MajGenl.Meade
Lord Jim wrote:I think he's got a sock in it....
Anyone? To obvious? :lol: