The Night Of . . .

[BoSoxGal]

. . . is captivating television!

Excellent acting from a great cast, including a terrific performance from John Turturro. Gritty, very true-to-life depiction of the criminal injustice system.

[Sue U]

Saw it, I agree it was very well done. Also, very NYC.

[Long Run]

Also, very NYC.

I'M STILL SO NYC

[Big RR]

while I enjoyed it, I could have done without the third pf the script dedicated to Tuturro's feet. Also, some of the musical lawyers at the beginning was a bit unrealistic, as was the young female lawyer character.

[BoSoxGal]

I thought the excema battle and the desperate search for a cure - much more than his feet, by the way - was meant to be metaphorical. Also, the cat saga. Those were the kinds of things that I felt raised the series above the usual crime/courtroom drama. JMNSHO.

[Bicycle Bill]

I thought the excema battle ....

No serious offense intended, but GAAHHHH!  How hard is it to Google the correct spelling of a word like eczema, especially after spellcheck puts the wavy line under 'excema' to tell you it's incorrect?

Remind me never to play Scrabble with any of you.

-"BB"-

[Big RR]

BSG--Well I agree that's what the writers were trying to do, but come on, little subtlety wouldn't hurt. He was always scratching because he was itching to get away from his current life, the defendant had asthma because he felt his current life was smothering him and he yearned to break free, the cat was a metaphor for saving a defenseless person from destruction at a significant cost. I have no problem with metaphor, but give your viewers a little credit and don't be so heavy handed.

[Lord Jim]

I had this one on my list , but I have to say that after reading this discussion, I'm less inclined to want to watch it...

I thought that the main focus of this would be on the wrongly accused person struggling to prove his innocence and the hunt for the real killer...(Something like The Fugitive)

But it sounds like (and also from the trailer) this is less a murder/mystery and more of a "prison drama"...

And I'm really not a big fan of "prison dramas"...

Prison's a really really Bad Thing, I get that...

Eight episodes of somebody in the joint dealing with their skin condition doesn't sound like riveting viewing to me...

No matter how "realistic" that may be....

[BoSoxGal]

You've misunderstood the show from these short posts, LJ - I think you'd appreciate it and it's definitely not just a prison drama, that's only one aspect. If you choose to skip it, your loss.

BB, kindly go fuck yoirself, okay? My cellphone doesn't highlight misspelled words in Chrome, so I had no reason to Google it. I don't often make spelling or grammar mistakes, but as I declared here many months ago, because I have MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS, I do have some cognitive issues that keep me from being the perfect speller I used to be.

What an insufferable dick you are (and a fucking racist to boot). I'll not bother with your opinion of the content OR spelling of my posts hereinafter.

eta: I routinely play WWF (Scrabble) with friends on my phone, and I have an excellent scoring history. I'd kick your ass any day of the week, if I could be arsed to play with such an asshole. Life is short, so I couldn't be.

[Big RR]

Jim--I'll echo what BSG said, this is not just a prison drama, nor is it just a police procedural. The show presents the aftermath of what happens when someone is wrongly accused, and how the system can affect them and others around them, including the police, attorneys, defendant and family and friends. I had my problems with it, but as I said at the beginning, I did enjoy it.

BTW, the guy in the "joint" is not the one with the itchy skin condition (that's the defense attorney).

[Bicycle Bill]

BB, kindly go fuck yoirself, okay? My cellphone doesn't highlight misspelled words in Chrome, so I had no reason to Google it. I don't often make spelling or grammar mistakes, but as I declared here many months ago, because I have MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS, I do have some cognitive issues that keep me from being the perfect speller I used to be.

Well, I beg your fucking pardon.  I did not realize that I was the only Luddite on this board who still thinks that a telephone is for talking to people instead of running my whole life through a $600 hand-held gadget.  I guess I need to drag myself into the new millennium and become just one more of the faceless masses who live their lives with their heads down, constantly Facebooking, Twittering, Yelping, Tindering, Ubering, and otherwise permanently engrossed in the screens of their iPhones, Androids, and tablet devices.

What an insufferable dick you are (and a fucking racist to boot).

I spent 15-plus years in the school system learning how to spell correctly and how to properly use the English language and I freely admit that the misuse of it by supposedly educated people is a pet peeve of mine.  If you were to butcher the French or German languages and a Frenchman or German called you out for it, would you call them "an insufferable dick" as well?

Yeah, you probably would.

As for the 'racist' remark ....


-"BB"-

[Lord Jim]

Cute

[Guinevere]

Maybe everyone could just chill the heck out about spelling errors on this board. Mistakes happen for all kinds of reasons and clearly everyone who posts here knows how to spell properly. With as much as *is* written here, all of you who like to get snitty about pointing out spelling (or grammar) mistakes should be gratified by the overall pretty low volume of them.


ETA: This doesn't mean we will refrain from pointing and laughing at Gob's ongoing struggles with his post titles.....

[Big RR]

If you were to butcher the French or German languages and a Frenchman or German called you out for it, would you call them "an insufferable dick" as well?

more likely, she would call them Ein unerträglicher Schwanz or Une bite insupportable, as appropriate, I would think.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Some are simple civilian grammar Nazis.

And then there's the SS-Totenkopfverbände......

[BoSoxGal]

BB, I spent 24 years in school learning and caring about spelling and grammar and many other subjects. I have a Masters degree in English and taught university courses in writing and literature.

But like I said, my cognitive function is no longer perfect thanks to MS, so I make an occasional error in spelling these days. I also do much of my posting on my iPhone with a shattered screen (can't afford to replace it) which is hard to see, thus making it more likely I won't catch an error before hitting 'submit'. I HAVE to have my phone for work, I only paid a couple of hundred dollars for it pursuant to a contract and that was paid in full as a business expense over two years ago by my law practice. So your judgments about my assumed materialism because I use my phone (don't have a computer to use when I'm at work, which is when I'm able to post) you are also welcome to shove up your ass.

You *might* have pointed out the spelling error without the nasty judgmental tone and assumption that I wouldn't be bright enough to play Scrabble against you; if you'd bothered using manners, I wouldn't have reminded you of your recent disgustingly racist 'porch monkey' 'send them back to Africa' comments, which to my way of thinking, basically render you unfit to judge me in any capacity.

eta: Your cute little video isn't very relevant; there is a huge difference between not being colorblind (essentially impossible in our society, I certainly don't claim to be) and having some unconscious bias about other races - versus having feelings of bias toward black people so strong that would compel you to call them 'porch monkeys'. Sorry, but that's old school redneck bigotry and you need to own it, period.

[Bicycle Bill]

...versus having feelings of bias toward black people so strong that would compel you to call them 'porch monkeys'. Sorry, but that's old school redneck bigotry and you need to own it, period.

Do I consider all black people; a group which also includes the current POTUS (Barack Obama), Reverend Jesse Jackson, the late Martin Luther King, and countless others — even my overall superior at my workplace — who choose to follow the rules and protocols of a polite society to be "porch monkeys"?  Hell no, and if you think that I do then you had better take a hard look at your own attitudes.

If you look back at the post where I used the term "porch monkeys" and recommended that they be removed from further interaction with American society you will see that I was referring to a specific group of four people who had restrained, tormented, and physically assaulted a mentally-challenged individual — and in that case, I think the disparaging term as well as the desire for deportation was appropriate.  What was I supposed to call them ... "these fine examples of noble, upstanding African-American youth"?

Were I to read an article that stated that four young Caucasian people had tied up, tortured, and beaten a handicapped elderly black woman, I would be equally as outraged and would likely have some especially choice and less-than-complimentary terms — such as "inbred, knuckle-dragging Neanderthals" — to describe them as well.  But I guess, in your eyes, that would make me racist against Neanderthals.

-"BB"-

[BoSoxGal]

I'm truly at a loss to address the stunning ignorance in your post. The short response is, it's NEVER okay to refer to a black person as a porch monkey. NEVER. And it's NEVER okay to suggest or declare that a black American should be shipped 'back to Africa'. NEVER. I don't care what crime has been committed. If you don't get that,

I'd suggest you think very hard about these things BB; do some Googling, talk to some real life black people (if you know any) and hear what they have to say about those two declarations. It's NEVER too late to grow and advanced age is not an excuse for bigotry/racism.

The casual use of such racist terminology by far too many Americans is part of what's at the root of the anger about racism that at least in part motivated the ugly acts of those four persons. Disrespect begets disrespect, violence begets violence. Your words in response to their acts struck me as perversely representative of the larger problem in our society.

Does anybody here want to step up and defend the use of such language?

[BoSoxGal]

Here's a starting point for reexamining your thinking, Bill: why are bad black people 'porch monkeys' (i.e., lazy animals) but bad white people are only 'inbred' or 'Neanderthal' (i.e., less developed or inferior intellect humans)?

Think . . .

[BoSoxGal]

And here's a little humorous education on the subject: