A gay man's wet dream

[Scooter]

Ryan Murphy’s ‘Feud: Bette and Joan’ gets a premiere date



Ryan Murphy’s latest anthology series finally has a premiere date. The highly anticipated Feud: Bette and Joan, about the legendary beef between Hollywood—and more importantly gay—icons Bette Davis and Joan Crawford joins FX’s Sunday night lineup on March 5.

The show will focus on the epic behind-the-scenes bitchery that took place during the filming of the Oscar-nominated thriller Whatever Happened to Baby Jane?, with Murphy stalwart Jessica Lange taking on the role of Crawford and prominent Bernie-or-Bust-er Susan Sarandon piling on the eye shadow to play Davis. Of course, the question remains: will this new series employ the high, lurid camp of American Horror Story or will it be a more thoughtful, nuanced brand of tabloid spectacle, like The People vs. OJ?

[Long Run]

Looks like it could be another of the good recent miniseries with that cast and story.

[BoSoxGal]

I'll be watching that!

[Bicycle Bill]

Since I'm not a gay man, I probably won't be watching this.
Seriously, Scooter, you could have come up with a slightly more tactful subject line.

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[Crackpot]

Why?

[Scooter]

Jesus Christ Bill, there is barely a word that can be spoken in jest without you managing to suck any humour right out of it. I don't know if it goes over your head, or if you are trying to add to the humour but are spectacularly bad at it, but either way it's as if you were this giant black cloud that can be relied on to blot out the sun whenever it shines.

I singled out gay men because Davis and Crawford both enjoy a particular popularity, verging on reverence, among a seemingly outsized proportion of gay men.

Once example - on the cruise I just went on there was a Halloween Party, and two guys came as Davis and Crawford as they appeared in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? - clothes, wigs they styled themselves, makeup, even the wheelchair, and they stayed in character the entire evening. Find me two straight men who would do that for an actress they idolize.

[Guinevere]

Why?

Because apparently straight men don't have wet dreams? Or perhaps that's limited to spectacularly uptight ones living in the upper Midwest.

[Crackpot]

Most straight men wouldn't find imitation a suitable outlet for thier admiration.

In fact if we were to try it would probably come off creepier than Buffalo Bill in Silenc of the Lambs

[RayThom]

How about a throwback like:

A Homosexual's Nocturnal Emission

Leviticus 15:16-18 ESV / 9
“If a man has an emission of semen, he shall bathe his whole body in water and be unclean until the evening. And every garment and every skin on which the semen comes shall be washed with water and be unclean until the evening. If a man lies with a woman and has an emission of semen, both of them shall bathe themselves in water and be unclean until the evening."

[Bicycle Bill]

Jesus Christ Bill, there is barely a word that can be spoken in jest without you managing to suck any humour right out of it. I don't know if it goes over your head, or if you are trying to add to the humour but are spectacularly bad at it, but either way it's as if you were this giant black cloud that can be relied on to blot out the sun whenever it shines.

I singled out gay men because Davis and Crawford both enjoy a particular popularity, verging on reverence, among a seemingly outsized proportion of gay men.

Once example - on the cruise I just went on there was a Halloween Party, and two guys came as Davis and Crawford as they appeared in Whatever Happened to Baby Jane? - clothes, wigs they styled themselves, makeup, even the wheelchair, and they stayed in character the entire evening. Find me two straight men who would do that for an actress they idolize.

Scooter, there a lot of things I know about, and a lot of things that I do not.  Things that have a particularly avid following among gay men, as you report is the case with Ms. David and Ms. Crawford, are one of the things about which I do not have a vast store of knowledge.  I'm also not sure I can wrap my head around the reason *WHY* these two would be so appealing to gay men, but that's a post for another thread entirely.

In order to appreciate a joke or a pun or a jest, all persons must know the material on which the pun or joke or jest is based.  So if I come off as humorless, it's because I'm not on the same page of Uncle Scooter's Off-The-Wall Joke Book.

Secondly, I wonder how a mixed crowd would take a remark about something being "a gay man's wet dream" in, say, your workplace.  Maybe it's different up there in the Great White North or other parts of QEII's domain, but here in America I dare say that some would find it upsetting and you'd be having a talk with Human Resources about "offensive and inappropriate language" rather quickly.

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[Long Run]

Scooter, there a lot of things I know about, and a lot of things that I do not. Things that have a particularly avid following among gay men, as you report is the case with Ms. David and Ms. Crawford, are one of the things about which I do not have a vast store of knowledge. I'm also not sure I can wrap my head around the reason *WHY* these two would be so appealing to gay men, but that's a post for another thread entirely.

Which is why Mr. Google invented his thing, and in about 60 seconds I scanned a couple of articles and got it, and learned something in the process. One of the good things about this place.

[Scooter]

Begins this Sunday on FX.

[Lord Jim]

We're planning to watch it...

Here's a clip with several trailers:





Here's something I don't understand...

This hasn't been broadcast anywhere, but it's already got 161 ratings for an 8.5 on IMDB (though no written reviews)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1984119/

IMDB shouldn't allow people to cast rating votes before a show has even aired...

[Big RR]

I'll give the first episode a try and then see.

[Burning Petard]

I remember seeing 'What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" in a theater soon after its first release. As I remember may own reaction at the time, I thought it was a pretty good movie. But I have no idea why it should inspire 'wet dreams' for gay men.

snailgate.

[BoSoxGal]

Secondly, I wonder how a mixed crowd would take a remark about something being "a gay man's wet dream" in, say, your workplace.  Maybe it's different up there in the Great White North or other parts of QEII's domain, but here in America I dare say that some would find it upsetting and you'd be having a talk with Human Resources about "offensive and inappropriate language" rather quickly.

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Seriously?!

There is so much offensive sexism on this board it literally isn't funny. We ladies who post here have to suck it up. You suck this up, too.

[BoSoxGal]

I remember seeing 'What Ever Happened to Baby Jane" in a theater soon after its first release. As I remember may own reaction at the time, I thought it was a pretty good movie. But I have no idea why it should inspire 'wet dreams' for gay men.

snailgate.

This thread content and its title are like a litmus test . . . for whether a person has ever had a close male gay friend, or not.

Obviously, many of you have not.

So you don't get it - so what. I don't get - or appreciate - a lot of the objectifying threads about women and their bodies. I'm guessing the other women here don't either, as they don't post in them. Occasionally Guin points out how sexist you guys are in some of them. Occasionally I do. But mostly we ignore.

Can you not ignore something you don't get, or even want to get?

Gay men love Davis and Crawford, they're icons - so the movie in which they battled each other, and this upcoming series, is like icons on steroids.

Here's a little Wiki to get you started on gay icons, if you actually care: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_icon

If you don't care, there's no need to sneer, either. M'kay?

eta: I've had more male gay friends than female, but one of my closest female friends my whole life was gay and we were like sisters. Her thing was Buffy the Vampire Slayer, and we didn't really talk about the older icons - though she did love Judy Garland. My point being - and I think the article covers it - that many lesbians appreciate the same gay icons as gay men. I'm sure the article covers this, I didn't read it all - just providing it as an educational service.

[Bicycle Bill]

Secondly, I wonder how a mixed crowd would take a remark about something being "a gay man's wet dream" in, say, your workplace.  Maybe it's different up there in the Great White North or other parts of QEII's domain, but here in America I dare say that some would find it upsetting and you'd be having a talk with Human Resources about "offensive and inappropriate language" rather quickly.

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Seriously?!

There is so much offensive sexism on this board it literally isn't funny. We ladies who post here have to suck it up. You suck this up, too.

BSG, I didn't say that *I* found it offensive; I didn't even say that it was offensive within the context of this board.  I merely stated that there are any number of people who *would* find it offensive... and raised the question as to whether such a remark would be any more appropriate in the workplace than saying that something was "the answer to a virgin's prayer", for example.

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[Lord Jim]

This thread content and its title are like a litmus test . . . for whether a person has ever had a close male gay friend, or not.

Well, my closest and oldest friend is gay, (as I believe I mentioned before he is my daughter's God Father, and a couple of years ago she helped plan his wedding...we both grew up in Northern Virginia; he moved out here before I did) and I have other gay male friends, but that's not why I'm giving this series a watch...

If I didn't know a single gay person I'd still want to check it out, because I like cinematic depictions involving the history of Hollywood...(Like Hollywood Land and The Silent Lovers and Chaplin )

I may watch the first episode and decide it sucks, and not watch the rest of it...(though I think that's unlikely given what I've seen in the trailers)

But I don't think that one's experience with having "a close male gay friend" is a "litmus test" for whether or not you would have interest in checking out this series...

[BoSoxGal]

I wasn't addressing the appeal of the series LJ, I was addressing the comments questioning Scooter's thread title and the popularity of Davis & Crawford with gay men.

I can't imagine it's possible that any production with Sarandon and Lange could be anything but terrific and I'm sure we who watch will all enjoy it. My biggest concern is deciding which to watch and which to watch later - Feud or Time After Time!