Plan B Forum

“If we’re going to assemble a team now, it’s not going to be six Oxbridge white blokes, it’s going to be a diverse range of people who reflect the modern world,” says Mr Allen, ignoring the fact that Terry Gilliam was educated in America."

(Shane Allen, the controller of BBC Comedy)

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Not even if they produce some of the funniest, most ground breaking comedy of their generation, we won't want them due to them being the wrong colour, educated, and having willies.

Isn't that ...discrimination....

Mr Shane Allen, the controller of BBC Comedy

Just what every comedy show needs to be funny; a good "controller"...

“It’s about how original the voice you have, rather than what school you went to.”

Unless, of course, it’s Oxford or Cambridge.

Of course this sort of irony is always lost on the brain-dead bureaucrat type like Mr. Allen...

To appreciate irony, one needs to have a sense of humor, and a sense of humor was obviously not a job requirement for the position of "controller of BBC Comedy". (In fact it may have been a disqualifier...)

Now, I’m no comedy expert, clearly, but surely ‘funny’ should trump sociology and originality in the list of priorities?

Racist!

It’s about how original the voice you have

Clearly, a wasted education there. . .

I will do you one better than that Gob. It would seem that the only concerns that medical schools should have is that of producing the best doctor they can. If test scores are not that important, why waste so much time and money on them. Train everyone that wants to be a doctor; reduce medical cost by supplying more doctors and let the market sort out who is the best.


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I got into medical school by saying I was black. I lied.

Honestly, I am about as black as my sister Mindy Kaling (The Office / The Mindy Project).

Once upon a time, I was an ethically challenged, hard-partying Indian American frat boy enjoying my third year of college. That is until I realized I didn't have the grades or test scores to get into medical school. Legitimately.

The village idiot didn't read his own source carefully enough to catch the bullshit.

On top of that Lib, you seem to think that enrolling people with the highest MCATs and GPAs will produce the best physicians and surgeons. Why? A doctor needs to know organic chemistry or comparative zoology like a lawyer needs to know political science theory--it doesn't hurt, but it also doesn't help him/her to be a better doctor. Ditto for scoring higher on standardized tests like the MCATs. It's a convenient way to differentiate among applicants, but it in no way results in better doctors. I know some people who went to med school with 4.0 GPAs and high MCATs who failed as physicians (because being a physician is much more than just memorizing crap)--of two who immediately come to mind, one is a pharma medical director (who doesn't have to deal with patients) and the other works as a company doctor (more of a paper pusher than anything else); on the other hand, I can think of one guy who squeaked into med school with less than a 3.0 and is now a very respected and successful pediatrician.

Is race alone any better an indicator? Probably not; but perhaps we could have a better system if a number of factors were considered and the medical school took its job of turning out the best doctors in considering who to admit.

Your point of the market deciding makes sense if there really were a market, but few of us have insurance that gives us free choice on what doctor to use. Add to that the cost of a medical education, and it would not be feasible to train a lot more doctors.

Of course we have no way of knowing why some medical schools were willing to consider this clown (nowhere does it say that he actually got accepted in a med school, only that he got some interviews and made it onto a couple of waitlists). Nowhere does it disclose his MCAT score, which could have been very high. He purports to draw a line between claiming to be black and his alleged "success" in the process (which doesn't appear to include actual attendance at med school) but doesn't provide any evidence in support of his claim (for example, applying to the same schools with same credentials and being more successful when claiming to be black than when he didn't).

IOW, lots of hot air but no actual fire.

Lib, take a wild guess what perception of you you have reinforced by choosing a thread only very tangentially related as a vehicle for your recurring theme,"black people have it easy by getting unfair advantages over white people"...

Here's a hint; the word for the perception rhymes with bassist...

but doesn't provide any evidence in support of his claim (for example, applying to the same schools with same credentials and being more successful when claiming to be black than when he didn't).

And even if he could show that, so what? He may have had the same success at a medical school in a state university by claiming to live in state, or out of state, or coming from a distant state. He may have had similar success by claiming his father was a doctor, or his father went there, or he was in the military, or that he wasn't in the military. The fact is that schools in the US take a lot of factors into account when making up a class; stellar grades and standardized test scores do not guarantee admission; I had a friend in high school who was a mediocre student who got into Princeton (likely) because his father and grandfather went there and legacy candidates get special consideration. Sure, you can argue it's not fair, but then school admission isn't just based on academic or standard test performance, so boo hoo.

And when to comes to professional schools which, as lib said, need to turn out the best professionals, the I would think it I essential to consider a variety of factors.

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but doesn't provide any evidence in support of his claim (for example, applying to the same schools with same credentials and being more successful when claiming to be black than when he didn't).

And even if he could show that, so what? He may have had the same success at a medical school in a state university by claiming to live in state, or out of state, or coming from a distant state. He may have had similar success by claiming his father was a doctor, or his father went there, or he was in the military, or that he wasn't in the military. The fact is that schools in the US take a lot of factors into account when making up a class; stellar grades and standardized test scores do not guarantee admission; I had a friend in high school who was a mediocre student who got into Princeton (likely) because his father and grandfather went there and legacy candidates get special consideration. Sure, you can argue it's not fair, but then school admission isn't just based on academic or standard test performance, so boo hoo.

And when to comes to professional schools which, as lib said, need to turn out the best professionals, the I would think it I essential to consider a variety of factors.

I tend to agree with you test scores don’t necessarily predict success.

So why have a monopoly or controlled market when it comes medicine. Let anyone who wants to open a medical school and trained doctors, as long as they can meet reasonable standards, do so. And let anyone who wants to train to be a physician do so. If they meet reasonable standards let them practice medicine. We all will benefit by lower cost through supply and demand by having more doctors. And if they can’t attract enough patients they will go out of business.

So why have a monopoly or controlled market when it comes medicine. Let anyone who wants to open a medical school and trained doctors, as long as they can meet reasonable standards, do so. And let anyone who wants to train to be a physician do so. If they meet reasonable standards let them practice medicine. We all will benefit by lower cost through supply and demand by having more doctors. And if they can’t attract enough patients they will go out of business.

are you sure this can't be done now? I realize the AMA wants to keep the number of doctors small to assure higher incomes, but I have not heard of cases where someone sought to open a medical school and was blocked. The enormous cost of the equipment, facilities and faculty would more be what prevents it.

Now there may be more of a problem with residencies since you need a big enough hospital having relevant cases and a teaching staff to run a program, but I don't know.