Why GM went bankrupt

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Crackpot wrote:
dales wrote:
Sean wrote:Red cars are faster...
I had a red 1967 Alfa Romeo Spyder about 35 years ago.

Red is a bad luck color, some 80 year old twit ran a stop sign and totaled the poor car.
Why did you he do that?
I dunno, I guess he didn't see the stop sign.

I was 25 at the time and believed red cars REALLY were faster. :mrgreen:

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Can't buy a used car. Wife won't have it.

I'm told by a body mechanic that red is the most expensive color of paint, and that because of the disproportionate effect of UV on red pigment, it is often the most difficult color to match (when doing repairs).

I personally don't like red cars and believe very strongly that it disproportionately attracts the attention of state troopers. But of course Guin's car is not "red," so that wouldn't apply to her Jeep.

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Im sorry...I never realized you were color blind!
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On the quality of "red":

There are many casual references to colors that are satisfactory for their purpose. "Red" men (i.e., native Americans") are not actually red, "White" people are not actually white, "Black" people are not actually black, and "yellow" people are not actually yellow. Yet everyone knows what one means when one describes a person as "white," or whatever.

Car manufacturers take great liberties with naming colors because they are looking for names that evoke feelings or associations, rather than technical accuracy. Furthermore, auto salesmen will often take great liberties with colors when confronted with a customer who articulates a color preference. To wit, the customer says, "I want a red car," and the salesman will steer that customer to any car that can remotely be considered to have had some red pigment thrown in to the mix when the car was originally painted.

Each time my wife and I went to a dealer asking to see their "red SUV," we were shown a car of such a color. None of them were "red," but all of them could be said to have a relationship with the color red. The salesmen were not lying, they were merely being "inclusive" in their definition of "red." And yet, I dare say each of those salesmen knew, when showing us his "red" car that the car was (a) not actually red, and (b) was not exactly what we were looking for. No matter.

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dgs49 wrote:Can't buy a used car. Wife won't have it.
Which is why you said this
dgs49 wrote:my wife is considering the purchase of a 2008 Hummer H3
in your very first post of this thread.

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Without a doubt, there are many shade and tones of red, and we all have colors that we prefer, and colors that we don't, but only in very narrow minds does that mean there is one and only one "red." :roll:
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Scooter wrote:
dgs49 wrote:Can't buy a used car. Wife won't have it.
Which is why you said this
dgs49 wrote:my wife is considering the purchase of a 2008 Hummer H3
in your very first post of this thread.

If you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory.
Dgs49 isn't buying a used car. He is buying a used SUV.

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Scooter wrote:
dgs49 wrote:Can't buy a used car. Wife won't have it.
Which is why you said this
dgs49 wrote:my wife is considering the purchase of a 2008 Hummer H3
in your very first post of this thread.

If you tell the truth, you don't have to have a good memory.
Maybe she changed her mind.

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RED?

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oldr_n_wsr wrote:Maybe she changed her mind.
That's what I figured. (Apparently she was so smitten with the bright red Hummer that she briefly considered making an exception for that particular vehicle.)
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Oh yeah, sure. She was so smitten with a used Hummer that she considered breaking her cardinal rule, but there is absolutely no other used SUV in the universe that she would consider buying and repainting with the colour of her dreams.

If it doesn't make sense, it isn't true, and once again Dave has demonstrated that he doesn't have even a passing acquaintance with the truth.

But even if Mrs. Dave did have some sudden epiphany, that still doesn't explain why they are limited to looking at new SUVs in variations of red they don't like. The suggestion that they buy a model they like and repaint it in the red of their choosing could apply just as easily to a new SUV as it does to a used one. But then he would not be able to prolong this narrative about how car dealers are too incompetent to know what "red" is, just as the initial fable he told was merely a means of taking a swipe at GM.
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BTW...this looks really red to me:
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Too bad the front was inspired by an alien fish!
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Crackpot wrote:Uh Jarl it's based off of the 360 program (mid-size SUV) the Colorado and Canyon were their own (but similar platform. (They were supposed to beat the 360 program to market but hit so many delays that the 360 was just a out ready to be refreshed by the time those two hit the market)
No, it's a Colorado. Offhand, it uses leaf springs in back (SUV's got coils) and the 5-cylinder engine (SUV's got the six). Having looked under the hood, it is crystal-clear: the six cylinder simply will not fit!
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yeah you're right I remembered that bit of info a couple weeks back but I forgot to write a retraction.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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My wife refuses to buy used cars. In fact, on our last go-around, we leased a RED 2006 Grand Vitara, and when the lease was up she REFUSED to purchase it - even though she loved the car - because it was USED. Even after 35 years of living with her I was dumbfounded at this decision, but we bought the car we have now (that we just sold).

As I said above, we were at the Buick dealer, looking at a new Encore when my wife saw the red Hummer and fell in love with it. She has always liked the look of Hummers and has often said that if they ever made an H4 (i.e., smaller) she would snap one up. I had even tried to talk her into a Jeep Wrangler Unlimited (I think that's the 4-door version), on the theory that it was at least visually equivalent to a smaller Hummer. But she was concerned about road noise being offensive.

In 40 years of marriage, she has never voluntarily bought a used car. On the few occasions when we have done so (for our "family" car), it was only after my taking great pains to sell her on the idea for a particular car. I rarely buy a new car - don't believe in it. I think it's stupid and wasteful.

To those of you who have taken the occasion of this thread to make ad hominem attacks on me, (a) I don't particularly give a shit, and (b) go fuck yourselves.

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To those of you who have taken the occasion of this thread to make ad hominem attacks on me, (a) I don't particularly give a shit, and (b) go fuck yourselves.
dgs....if I did, I'm sorry.....you're in rare form this AM :ok

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I was not addressing you. Not sure why I'm so vituperative today. Had an appt with my urologist this AM, where he assaulted me. Maybe that's it.

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I make it a point to stay away from doctors.

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dgs49 wrote:My wife refuses to buy used cars. In fact, on our last go-around, we leased a RED 2006 Grand Vitara, and when the lease was up she REFUSED to purchase it - even though she loved the car - because it was USED. Even after 35 years of living with her I was dumbfounded at this decision, but we bought the car we have now (that we just sold).
Absolute Grade A weirdo!
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