We will soon see Vietnamese electric cars in the USA

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We will soon see Vietnamese electric cars in the USA

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I'm sure Botox Gal will find some reason to jump all over me for posting this, but here it is.

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I'm sure they will, at least, be as well-received as the Yugo.
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Like the Chinese cars...they have been 5 years away for 20 years now.

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Just what we need. Cars manufactured in Vietnam using child labor.

No matter what, I intend to continue to drive gas powered American cars like the Toyota and Honda....

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I like the sales gimmick--buy the car with a 10-year warranty and then rent the battery. Looks intregueing

But it is still specialized market. Where do city dwellers or people like me out in the suburbs but in an apartment complex, charge their car overnite?

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the power you're supplyin'
it's electrifying . . .

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I imagine the biggest problem (as often the case) will be meeting the minimum crash standards. Baring that they will probably do well enough just look at the Smart fortwo a care that underperformed in mileage and just about every other meaningful category compared to other vehicles already in its segment but sold anyway.
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Smat Car? I wanted a SMALL car for city driving, to replace a Ford Escort. Two seater was big snuff. The SMART checked that box just fine. However it had the reliability of a Yugo and the handling of a Reliant Robin. It was made by Mercedes and priced like one, but it shared no other characteristics of a Mercedes Benz.

Just what was its segment?

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Burning Petard wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:46 pm
Smat Car? I wanted a SMALL car for city driving, to replace a Ford Escort. Two seater was big snuff. The SMART checked that box just fine. However it had the reliability of a Yugo and the handling of a Reliant Robin. It was made by Mercedes and priced like one, but it shared no other characteristics of a Mercedes Benz.
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I may be the only person in the world to have owned, driven and pretty much liked, both a Yugo and a Smart for Two.

The Yugo was nearly new in '87. It served me well all that winter and consistently got 30 MPG. Its lack of AC, and general discomfort for a 6'1" guy, caused me to part with it as summer began. Then someone bombed the hell out of the factory. No more Yugos. The only part I had to replace was the plastic gear that drove the rear window wiper. Seems it wouldn't stand up to having the wiper blade stuck to the glass by ice. IIRC it was about $5. The now defunct (Must be a reason.) dealer also sold Rolls Royces. One guy I knew bought a Rolls and they through in a Yugo.

I bought the year-old 2008 Smart car with 8K miles and a bad alternator for $1200. Yes it was cheap. Didn't run, and I don't think the seller knew where the battery was hidden. (Under the passenger's feet.) If you can't find the battery, you can't jump start it, or run it on "life support". You have to drop one end of the engine down to remove the alternator out through the big inspection hole above the rear engine. Rock Auto had one for $50. Not anymore. My only complaint about the car was its light weight and tall profile made it a handful in a crosswind. I came around a semi one time where the high wind was bouncing off of his nose. I was doing about 75 MPH (The speed limit, although I'd seen 90 DOWN HILL with a tail wind a few miles earlier. Granted it was wound up pretty tight.) The wind darn near tossed me into the median. It was like driving a BIG gokart. Fun but treacherous. ALMOST 40 MPG, but it never quite made it. I'd buy another if it were as cheap as the last one. I was offered one last month that had NO key and was all locked up with a dead battery, and more money. Since the locks are electric, it would have been interesting to break into. Cars with functioning electric locks take about 30 seconds with the right tool. Breaking glass is never a good option.
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I think a Smart Car or one of equal size would be useful for driving around downtown in a city like San Francisco.

- as an aside, I remember driving a Toyota Yaris hatchback in about 2009 or so and pulling up alongside a Smart Car at a stop light. For a little while, by comparison, It felt like I was sitting in a Lincoln Navigator next to a Volkswagen Beetle. It made me wish for a moment that I had an air horn on my Yaris. (like the yellow car in this video)

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So much safer than with cows

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I never had that trouble with mine.

This guy might. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqZ953uS9dY
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On the other hand. . . . An electric Smart cart might be just the thing. The battery(s) could lower the center of gravity and the torque response of electric motors would certainly help it keep up in city traffic.

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ps, back to the original topic of this thread, there was a post that indicated the cars would be built here in the states and only the money shipped to Viet Nam. You know, like the car wheels that are made in Michigan but the money (and intellectual property/trade secrets) goes to China.

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Joe Guy wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:34 am
Just what we need. Cars manufactured in Vietnam using child labor.

No matter what, I intend to continue to drive gas powered American cars like the Toyota and Honda....
There are cars sold here now built in Thailand.

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Jarlaxle wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 7:23 am
Joe Guy wrote:
Mon Jul 25, 2022 2:34 am
Just what we need. Cars manufactured in Vietnam using child labor.

No matter what, I intend to continue to drive gas powered American cars like the Toyota and Honda....
There are cars sold here now built in Thailand.
And China too: https://cars.usnews.com/cars-trucks/cars-made-in-china Note that this is 2018 news.
Click on the arrows at the bottom to see the list.
At one time this year my local Buick dealer had a sparsely populated lot. It had mostly Envision crossover SUVs made in China.
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My last Ford was made in Mexico, my current Toyota was made in Canada.

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Burning Petard wrote:
Tue Jul 26, 2022 11:36 pm
My last Ford was made in Mexico, my current Toyota was made in Canada.

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Are you saying that was your VERY LAST Ford. If it was a Focus, with their dual clutch automatic transmission, I understand. Ford has been sued for that fiasco. My Yugo was a better car.

I've never understood how "American" manufacturers can build a car with $3 an hour labor, and still get a premium American dollar price for it.
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I have to say, the tenor of this thread is a bit gross. Did anyone actually read the article?
VinFast wants to entice American EV shoppers with a unique proposition: a 10-year warranty and a sticker price that doesn’t include the cost of the battery—an EV’s most expensive component. Instead buyers will have the option to lease batteries from the company for a small monthly fee. Once the battery life degrades to 70%, Vin-Fast swaps in a new one, free of charge. “Investors really like this kind of business-model story,” says Yale Zhang, an auto-industry analyst based in Shanghai. “The question is you need to source more batteries to make it work.”

It’s a bold play in an extremely competitive field. But despite VinFast’s inexperience and lack of core technologies, it has much deeper pockets than many new entrants into the EV market. VinGroup has so far plowed $6.6 billion into VinFast and assembled a leadership team headhunted from firms like Ford, Renault, GM, and BMW. The styling is by Italy’s Pininfarina; the dashboard displays by LG; the batteries by Samsung. “We leased IP from BMW, and so that immediately became the standard we worked to,” says Shaun Calvert, VinFast deputy CEO in charge of manufacturing, formerly with GM.

The firm also has some rather influential champions. In late March, President Joe Biden tweeted that VinFast’s U.S. investment plans were “the latest example of my economic strategy at work.” Within days, VinFast says, it had almost 10,000 preorders from customers in the U.S. “We keep joking that President Biden is the best salesman that we’ve ever had, and we didn’t have to pay,” says Thuy. It doesn’t stop there. When Thuy attended the SelectUSA investment conference in late June, she was delighted when most of a five-minute speech by U.S. Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo was dedicated to VinFast. “I’m amazed by the level of support that we’ve received from the U.S. government,” Thuy adds.
It sounds like this firm is well poised to provide an affordable quality product to the market at a time when there is a strong surge in interest (and need) for EVs.

I can only guess that some of the sentiment here is entrenched in anti Vietnam bias harkening back to a war that has been over for more than 45 years and in which we were pretty much the bad guys because we didn’t ever belong there and isn’t that why we normalized relations with Vietnam many years ago now? Didn’t they endure enough agony and anyway if they didn’t, aren’t they now living under a communist regime? We didn’t do much to help them in the long run, did we?

I’ll rely on JD Power and others to advise me if the cars are really good quality before considering one when I can finally afford a hybrid or EV. I seem to recall a few other automakers who were met with much skepticism when they first started selling in the USA - one of which is the maker of the most reliable car I’ve ever owned, still going at 23 years and fingers crossed 🤞🏼for a couple more. This automaker, a slant eye operation called Toyota, directly employs well over 135,000 Americans and is linked to another half million or so jobs in our economy. 70% of Toyotas sold here are made here. Tens of billions shoveled into our American economy.

Plenty of Americans willing to put the bottom line ahead of tired old grudges from the 20th century, I bet.

Just had to edit to add how weird it is to wrap my head around that 30 and 40 year olds today could have very little grasp of Vietnam or the war. That it’s been a long time since that war was a focus of pop culture or really anything. It’s being forgotten just like the great majority of Americans don’t know what the Holocaust was about. Which is why we are currently in bed with and getting fucked by fascism, again.
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