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Is your phone bugged?

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If you use an Android, BlackBerry, or Nokia smartphone then you may be at risk of being illegally wire-tapped by Carrier IQ--a provider of performance monitoring software for smartphones--according to reports.

Earlier this month, security researcher Trevor Eckhart announced that he found software made by Carrier IQ that may be logging your every move on your mobile phone. Trevor referred to it as a "rootkit", a piece of software that hides itself while utilizing privileged access like watching your every move. Carrier IQ didn't take too kindly to this accusation, and responded aggressively with a cease-and-desist letter, and went on to deny this accusation. However, to further back his accusation, Eckhart released a video that he says shows the software in action.

In the video, Eckhart navigates to a list of running applications on his phone, and he found that the application IQRD--made by Carrier IQ--was not shown. However, when he searched all of the applications on the device, Eckhart discovered that IQRD showed up with the option to force stop it; therefore, he determined that the app must have been running. However, when he tried to stop the application, the force stop function did absolutely nothing. Additionally, this application always runs when the device is started, according to his research.

After connecting his HTC device to his computer, Trevor found that IQRD is secretly logging every single button that he taps on the phone--even on the touchscreen number pad. IQRD is also shown to be logging text messages.

In the video, Eckhart shows that Carrier IQ is also logging Web searches. While this doesn't sound all that bad by itself, it suggests that Carrier IQ is logging what happens during an HTTPS connection which is supposed to be encrypted information. Additionally, it can do this over a Wi-Fi connection with no 3G, so even if your phone service is disconnected, IQRD still logs the information.

Wired goes on to say that the application "cannot be turned off without rooting the phone and replacing the operating system."
http://bit.ly/vYU8UL

By sheer coincidence, I rooted my phone and replaced the OS last week, just before hearing about this. Damn glad I did though!
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Android, Blackberry & Nokia eh?

Back to smug mode for us iPhone users then... ;) :lol:
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Yo Sean

I think smug wins ... (I am currently holding out for the iPhone 5)

I did see that it looks like the iPhone does have associations, though (currently) benign. I don't think that UK carriers are using this rootkit yet, and hopefully won't now it has come to light, but of course if one provider thinks it gives them a competitive advantage ...
Tonight iPhone developer @chpwn reported on Carrier IQ references in Apple's iOS as well, though its logging seems to be much more in line with Carrier IQ's official statements about device performance. (The references were first spotted by Intell on our own forums). Chpwn reports:
Importantly, it does not appear the daemon has any access or communication with the UI layer, where text entry is done. I am reasonably sure it has no access to typed text, web history, passwords, browsing history, or text messages, and as such is not sending any of this data remotely.
The information logged for iOS seems limited to phone call activity and location (if Location Services are enabled). Also unlike the implementation found on Eckhart's HTC, iOS users can opt out of these diagnostics by simply going to Settings -> General -> About -> Diagnostics & Usage -> Don't Send. The actually logged diagnostic data appears to be fully accessible for perusal in that same setting menu.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/12/01/car ... le-phones/
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thestoat wrote:Yo Sean

I think smug wins ... (I am currently holding out for the iPhone 5)
5? That might be a bit of a wait...

I will be taking delivery any day now of my shiny new 4S to replace my 3GS work phone. iPhones are even better when somebody else is paying for them... :D
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Nice - I don't think you every regret paying the Apple premium. I have iPad and Macbook and love them.

By the way ...
Well-known iPhone hacker Chpwn tweeted today that versions at least as recent as iPhone OS 3.1.3 contained references to Carrier IQ and later confirmed it's in all versions of iOS, including iOS 5.
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initial research indicated that Carrier IQ's software may only be active when the iPhone is in diagnostic mode. In a blog post, chpwn confirms that, based on his initial testing, Apple has added some form of Carrier IQ software to all versions of iOS, including iOS 5. However, the good news is that it does not appear to actually send any information so long as a setting called DiagnosticsAllowed is set to off, which is the default. Finally, the local logs on iOS seem to store much less information than what has been seen on Android, limited to some call activity and location (if enabled), but not any text from the web browser, SMS, or anywhere else. We'll let you know when more details arise.
http://www.theverge.com/2011/11/30/2601 ... ios-iphone
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Is there any way to shorten the link in the OP? It is skewing the page such that I can't read it on my iGadget.
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This should do it ...

http://bit.ly/vYU8UL
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bigskygal wrote:Is there any way to shorten the link in the OP? It is skewing the page such that I can't read it on my iGadget.
That's part of the conspiracy... ;)
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Ha!

Stoat, can you go back and replace the long link in the OP? That will resize the page. I would be ever so grateful. :)
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Hi BSG - Is that ok now?
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:ok
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Yes! Point for lo-tek, mine's not a smartphone at all!

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I hope those cans are clean - else there will be microscopic bugs crawling all over them :-)
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