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I've been reading about this for a while, this article is from about a month ago:
The Warp Drive Could Become Science Fact

New calculations of the energy required to warp spacetime suggest the Star Trek propulsion favorite could be tested.

A warp drive to achieve faster-than-light travel -- a concept popularized in television's Star Trek -- may not be as unrealistic as once thought, scientists say.

A warp drive would manipulate space-time itself to move a starship, taking advantage of a loophole in the laws of physics that prevent anything from moving faster than light. A concept for a real-life warp drive was suggested in 1994 by Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre, however subsequent calculations found that such a device would require prohibitive amounts of energy.

Now physicists say that adjustments can be made to the proposed warp drive that would enable it to run on significantly less energy, potentially bringing the idea back from the realm of science fiction into science.

SLIDE SHOW: Introducing the Warpship

"There is hope," Harold "Sonny" White of NASA's Johnson Space Center said Friday (Sept. 14) at the 100 Year Starship Symposium, a meeting to discuss the challenges of interstellar spaceflight.

Warping Spacetime

An Alcubierre warp drive would involve a football-shape spacecraft attached to a large ring encircling it. This ring, potentially made of exotic matter, would cause space-time to warp around the starship, creating a region of contracted space in front of it and expanded space behind.

Meanwhile, the starship itself would stay inside a bubble of flat space-time that wasn't being warped at all.

"Everything within space is restricted by the speed of light," explained Richard Obousy, president of Icarus Interstellar, a non-profit group of scientists and engineers devoted to pursuing interstellar spaceflight. "But the really cool thing is space-time, the fabric of space, is not limited by the speed of light."

With this concept, the spacecraft would be able to achieve an effective speed of about 10 times the speed of light, all without breaking the cosmic speed limit.

The only problem is, previous studies estimated the warp drive would require a minimum amount of energy about equal to the mass-energy of the planet Jupiter.

ANALYSIS: Warp Drives: Making the 'Impossible' Possible

But recently White calculated what would happen if the shape of the ring encircling the spacecraft was adjusted into more of a rounded donut, as opposed to a flat ring. He found in that case, the warp drive could be powered by a mass about the size of a spacecraft like the Voyager 1 probe NASA launched in 1977.
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Furthermore, if the intensity of the space warps can be oscillated over time, the energy required is reduced even more, White found.

"The findings I presented today change it from impractical to plausible and worth further investigation," White told SPACE.com. "The additional energy reduction realized by oscillating the bubble intensity is an interesting conjecture that we will enjoy looking at in the lab."

Laboratory Tests

White and his colleagues have begun experimenting with a mini version of the warp drive in their laboratory.

They set up what they call the White-Juday Warp Field Interferometer at the Johnson Space Center, essentially creating a laser interferometer that instigates micro versions of space-time warps.

"We're trying to see if we can generate a very tiny instance of this in a tabletop experiment, to try to perturb space-time by one part in 10 million," White said.

He called the project a "humble experiment" compared to what would be needed for a real warp drive, but said it represents a promising first step.

And other scientists stressed that even outlandish-sounding ideas, such as the warp drive, need to be considered if humanity is serious about traveling to other stars.

"If we're ever going to become a true spacefaring civilization, we're going to have to think outside the box a little bit, were going to have to be a little bit audacious," Obousy said.
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The really neat thing about this method of achieving faster than light speed is that it allows for "real time" travel....

If you got in your ship and went on a three month trip somewhere at 10 times the speed of light, and then took three months coming back to earth, it would only be six months later on earth, just as it would be for you, rather than some distant time in the future....
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Didn't Wesley Crusher try this with some very bad results?

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Maybe Dr. White will become the real life Zefram Cochrane....
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I wonder if the Vulcans are watching us?

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I wonder if the Vulcans are watching us?
One could certainly hope...

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The bad news of course, is that even at 10 times the speed of light, we won't amount to much as "Interstellar" Space Travelers...

We'll own our solar system; we'll be able to get back and forth from our Lunar, Martian, and Titan bases very quickly...

But the next closest star system is Alpha Centauri, some four light years away...(Some geeks may remember that Alpha Centauri was the targeted star system in Lost In Space.... )

Alpha Centauri, is four light years away...

That would be 48 months....

That would mean that at 10 times the speed of light, it would still take nearly five months to reach the next nearest star system....

There aren't but a handful of star systems that we could reach at 10 times the speed of light...

At 10 times the speed of light, we would be barely scratching the surface of interstellar travel...

But if it doesn't violate the laws of physics to achieve a speed 10 times the speed of light...

Is there any reason to believe that it would violate the laws of physics to achieve a speed a hundred times the speed of light?
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Lord Jim wrote:Maybe Dr. White will become the real life Zefram Cochrane....
Dunno...is he a manic-depressive with a ferocious appetite for tequila? :D
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But the next closest star system is Alpha Centauri, some four light years away...(Some geeks may remember that Alpha Centauri was the targeted star system in Lost In Space.... )
I remember Lost in Space. Dr. Smith threw the mission off coarse by being caught on board (while trying to sabatoge the mission) when the ship took off, adding weight to the ship. But also saved the crew as they would have died in a meteor collision had they not been thrown off coarse.
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On My old time radio Podcasts had a Episode staring Deforest Kelly (pre star trek)
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You can't see him for DeTrees on radio. :D
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He almost didn't get the role as Dr. McCoy...he was too well known for playing villains in Westerns. :)
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More DeForest Kelley Trivia:
In 1956, years before being cast as Dr. McCoy, Kelley played a small supporting role as a medic in The Man in the Gray Flannel Suit, in which he utters the diagnosis "This man's dead, Captain" and "That man is dead" to Gregory Peck....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeForest_Kelley
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I remember Lost in Space. Dr. Smith threw the mission off coarse by being caught on board (while trying to sabatoge the mission)
That got me to thinking about Jonathan Harris, (the actor who played Dr. Smith...he passed away in 2002) and I came across these You Tube video interviews with him...

What a character...After watching these, he went on my Top 10 List of Dead People I would Most Like To Have Gone Out For A Drink With....







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Lord Jim wrote: What a character...After watching these, he went on my Top 10 List of Dead People I would Most Like To Have Gone Out For A Drink With


... and just think LJ... any day now you'll be able to add LC to that list! :ok
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Oh come on Gen'l, I could have put Lenny on that list 20 years ago, if I'd been so inclined...
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I've done a little more reading up on Jonathan Harris; he was a lot more than Zachary Smith...

I had always assumed he was an English actor; but as he says in the interviews I posted, he wasn't:
Jonathan Harris (born Jonathan Charasuchin; November 6, 1914 – November 3, 2002) was an American character actor. Two of his best-known roles were as the timid accountant Bradford Webster in the TV version of The Third Man and the comic villain Dr. Zachary Smith of the 1960s science fiction television series Lost in Space.

The second of three children, Harris was born to a poor family in The Bronx, New York City. His parents were Sam and Jennie Charasuchin, Russian Jewish immigrants who eked out a living in Manhattan's garment district.[2] His family resided in a six-tenant apartment complex. To raise money, his mother took in boarders, some of whom were given Jonathan's bed, forcing Jonathan to sleep on the chairs in the dining room. From the age of 12, he worked as a pharmacy clerk.
While there was little money for luxuries, Jonathan's father took efforts to expand his son's cultural horizons. This included trips to the Yiddish Theatre, where he was encouraged by his father to listen to opera. Young Jonathan was enthralled. He discarded his Bronx accent and began to cultivate more sophisticated English tones. Although he could seldom afford tickets, Broadway plays were also an interest. Before graduation from James Monroe High School in 1931 (at age 16), he had also become interested in archeology, Latin, romantic poetry and, inevitably, Shakespeare. He did not fit amongst his peers (who included classmate Estelle Reiner, mother of future actor/director Rob Reiner) with the exception of his girlfriend, Gertrude Bregman, whom he subsequently married. In 1932, he legally changed his name from "Charasuchin" to "Harris", apparently without informing his parents. That same year, Harris's work at the pharmacy led him to attend nearby Fordham University where he majored in pharmacology. He graduated in 1936 and worked in several drugstores.
Acting was Harris's first love. At 24, he prepared a fake résumé and tried out a repertory company at the Millpond Playhouse in Long Island, New York and appeared in several of this troupe's plays, prior to landing a spot in The Red Company. In 1942, Jonathan won the leading role of a Polish officer in the Broadway play The Heart of a City. Adopting a Polish accent, he advised the producers that his parents were originally from Poland. In 1946, he starred in A Flag Is Born, opposite Quentin Reynolds and Marlon Brando.

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Harris became a popular character actor for 30 years on television, making his first guest appearance on an episode of The Chevrolet Tele-Theatre in 1949. The part led to other roles in such shows as: The Web, Lights Out, Goodyear Television Playhouse, Sanford and Son, 2 episodes of Hallmark Hall of Fame, Armstrong Circle Theatre, 3 episodes of Studio One, Telephone Time, Schlitz Playhouse of Stars, Climax!, The Outlaws, The Twilight Zone, Bonanza, The Rogues, The Adventures of Ozzie & Harriet, among many others.

Harris returned to television, where he landed a co-starring role opposite Michael Rennie in The Third Man, from 1959-65. He played Bradford Webster, an eccentric, cowardly assistant.
I found this particularly interesting:
From 1963-65, Harris co-starred in the sitcom The Bill Dana Show. He played Mr. Phillips, the pompous manager of a posh hotel who is constantly at odds with his bumbling Bolivian bellhop, "José Jiménez" (Bill Dana). This formula presaged the popular John Cleese hotel comedy, Fawlty Towers.
Cleese must have been aware of that show (though I have never seen him mention it in any interview he's given...shame on you John...)

I also always assumed Harris was gay, but I was wrong about that too; he was married to the same woman for 64 years:
Jonathan was married to his childhood sweetheart, Gertrude Bregman (who died of natural causes on August 28 2007 at 93), from 1938 until his death in 2002. They had a son, Richard (born 1942), as well as a daughter-in-law and two step-granddaughters. [4]
And he had such a lust for performing, he was working practically up to the last day of his life:
In late 2002, Harris and the rest of the surviving cast of the TV series were preparing for an NBC two-hour movie entitled Lost In Space: The Journey Home. [6] However, two months before the movie was set to film, he was taken to the hospital with what he thought was a back problem. But on November 3, 2002, just one day before he was scheduled to return home, Jonathan Harris died of a blood clot to the heart. It was just three days before his 88th birthday

What a remarkable life this man led....

What a great "American Success Story"... :ok
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Lord Jim wrote:
From 1963-65, Harris co-starred in the sitcom The Bill Dana Show. He played Mr. Phillips, the pompous manager of a posh hotel who is constantly at odds with his bumbling Bolivian bellhop, "José Jiménez" (Bill Dana). This formula presaged the popular John Cleese hotel comedy, Fawlty Towers.
Cleese must have been aware of that show (though I have never seen him mention it in any interview he's given...shame on you John...)

I think you're being a little hard there Jim, that show was never shown on British TV.
In May 1971 the Monty Python team stayed at the Gleneagles Hotel (which is referred to in "The Builders" episode) in Torquay whilst filming on location. John Cleese became fascinated with the behaviour of the owner, Donald Sinclair, whom Cleese later described as "the most marvellously rude man I've ever met."

This behaviour included Sinclair throwing a timetable at a guest who asked when the next bus to town would arrive; and placing Eric Idle's briefcase (put to one side by Idle while waiting for a car with Cleese) behind a wall in the garden on the suspicion that it contained a bomb (Sinclair explained his actions, by claiming the hotel had 'staff problems'). He also criticised the American-born Terry Gilliam's table manners for not being "British" (that is, he switched hands with his fork whilst eating). Cleese and Booth stayed on at the hotel after filming, furthering their research of the hotel owner. Cleese later played a hotel owner called Donald Sinclair in the 2001 movie Rat Race.

At the time, Cleese was a writer on the 1970s British TV sitcom Doctor in the House for London Weekend Television. An early prototype of the character that became known as Basil Fawlty was developed in an episode ("No Ill Feeling") of the third Doctor series (titled Doctor at Large). In this edition, the main character checks into a small town hotel, his very presence seemingly winding up the aggressive and incompetent manager (played by Timothy Bateson) with a domineering wife. The show was broadcast on 30 May 1971. Cleese parodied the contrast between organisational dogma and sensitive customer service in many personnel training videotapes issued with a serious purpose by his company, Video Arts.

Cleese said in 2008 that the first Fawlty Towers script, written with then-wife Connie Booth, was rejected by the BBC. At a 30th-anniversary event honouring the show, Cleese said,

"Connie and I wrote that first episode and we sent it in to Jimmy Gilbert," the executive "whose job it was to assess the quality of the writing said, and I can quote [his note to me] fairly accurately, 'This is full of clichéd situations and stereotypical characters and I cannot see it as being anything other than a disaster.' And Jimmy himself said, 'You're going to have to get them out of the hotel, John, you can't do the whole thing in the hotel.' Whereas, of course, it's in the hotel that the whole pressure cooker builds up."

Cleese was paid £6,000 for 43 weeks' work and supplemented his income by appearing in television advertisements.

Bill Cotton, the BBC's Head of Light Entertainment in the mid-1970s, said[citation needed] after the first series was produced that the show was a prime example of the BBC's relaxed attitude to trying new entertainment formats and encouraging new ideas. He said that when he read the first scripts he could see nothing funny in them but trusting that Cleese knew what he was doing, he gave the go-ahead. He said that the commercial channels, with their emphasis on audience ratings, would never have let the programme get to the production stage on the basis of the scripts.
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Yeah Strop, I know the story he's told about how Fawlty Towers came about...

I also know that Cleese got his start in David Frost's That Was The Week That Was back in the early 60's...

So it seems inconceivable to me that he would have been unaware of an American program from the mid 60's,(when Cleese was a rising star in British Television) as popular as The Bill Dana Show, on American television...

I have no reason to doubt that the Python story is also true, but Cleese had to know about this show...

Maybe he just tucked it away in the back of his head, and forgot about the reference, but there's no way he couldn't have been influenced by it:
the pompous manager of a posh hotel who is constantly at odds with his bumbling Bolivian bellhop,
Come on, that's just too close.... 8-)
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Hmmmm... possibly, an Alchemist can make gold out of base metal. :D
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