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Another Tea Partier Goes Down...

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After a series of special election defeats in House districts, they're starting to get defeated in 2014 primary races...

The battle looks a little different when the other side finally starts fighting back... :ok

GOP establishment 1, tea party 0 after North Carolina Senate primary


(CNN) -- In the intraparty battle for the GOP, score Round 1 for the Republican establishment over the tea party.

CNN projects that North Carolina House Speaker Thom Tillis has won the state's GOP Senate primary. Tillis, who was backed by many mainstream Republicans, topped 40% of the primary vote Tuesday, avoiding a runoff in July.

Tillis beat a bunch of more conservative candidates for the chance to face off this November against first-term Democratic Sen. Kay Hagan, who is considered very vulnerable in the general election. Flipping her seat and five others held by Democrats would give Republicans control of the Senate.

In his victory speech, Tillis slammed Hagan's record, tying her to Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid and calling them "an echo chamber for President Obama's worst ideas."

"We need to be clear, it's not the end of a primary, it's really the beginning of a primary mission, which has been the mission all along and that is to beat Kay Hagan and to make Harry Reid irrelevant," he said.

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"You know, their failures, both Obama's and Kay Hagan's, are obvious," Tillis added.

"We know a lot of them -- our government is borrowing too much money and it's dangerously in debt to China. Obamacare is not working. And Obama and Hagan's left-wing political agenda is driving up our energy prices and making our country less safe.

"For six years, she's voted with Obama and against North Carolina," he said.

Trailing Tillis is tea party activist Greg Brannon. He enjoyed the support of many tea party groups, other influential conservative organizations and endorsements from the likes of Sens. Mike Lee of Utah and Rand Paul of Kentucky, who joined Brannon on Monday at a rally in Charlotte.

Mark Harris, a prominent Baptist minister who helped drive the 2012 passage of a constitutional amendment that strengthened the state's same-sex marriage ban, is on his way to a third-place finish. Harris was backed by a high-profile fellow pastor, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, a 2008 Republican presidential candidate who may run again in 2016.

Since the birth of the tea party movement in 2009, primary challenges from the right have produced major headlines and headaches for the GOP and hurt the party's chances of winning back the Senate from Democrats in the past two election cycles. Candidates backed by the tea party movement and other grass-roots conservatives effectively cost the GOP five winnable Senate elections the past two cycles in Nevada, Delaware, Colorado, Indiana and Missouri.

The establishment strikes back

This election cycle, mainstream Republicans don't want another sequel.

In North Carolina, Tillis won recent endorsements from two high-profile Republicans: 2012 presidential nominee Mitt Romney and former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, a potential 2016 White House hopeful.

More importantly, while none of the candidates in the GOP primary, including Tillis, raised or spent a lot of money in the campaign, the state House speaker won the backing of the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and American Crossroads, two outside groups that combined have spent millions this cycle to run ads in support of Tillis and other establishment picks that they feel are "electable" come November.

Last week, in what was described as a major buy, the pro-business Chamber launched a television commercial that described Tillis as "a bold conservative who balanced our budget and reduced regulations. A businessman who delivered tax relief."

And Crossroads, the big-spending outside group co-founded and steered by Karl Rove, says it has spent nearly $2 million in support of Tillis. That spending dwarfed the money shelled out by outside conservative groups that backed Brannon.

"It was clear from the start that Thom Tillis is the only proven conservative who can defeat Kay Hagan and take on President Obama's liberal agenda, and tonight's victory is the first step toward making that happen," said American Crossroads President and CEO Steven Law.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/05/06/politics/ ... y-results/

The biggest loser last night was The Odious Harry Reid, who isn't going to be able to count on GOP primary voters nominating nut house candidates to save his sorry ass as Senate Majority Leader a third time...
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Perhaps but this is only one primary in a state that has been quite purple
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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Going after the Tea Party nutjobs is a start but they really have to purge the "anti-global warming", "hate women", "anti Romneycare" and "anti-evolution"groups if they want to simulate intelligence.

Good luck with that.

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CNN? Not the best source for analysis of internal R matters.

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Dave, what part of that article do you believe to be factually inaccurate?
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It will be nice to see real Republicans finally regaining control of the House. With lessened contention there will be a better chance for compromise on important issues.

As far as the Senate goes, I sense the Repugs are slightly nudging ahead of the Dems... at the moment. However, come November, I feel strongly that the Dems will pick up a new seat, or maybe even two.

In the final analysis: meet the new Congress... same as the old Congress.
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But win in West-by-God-Virginia:

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/20 ... e-primary/
Tea party groups quickly congratulated Mooney. The Senate Conservatives Fund, a group that works to elect conservative candidates, even trying to oust incumbents in several races, put in $95,000 supporting Mooney.

“Alex Mooney started out as the underdog, but won this race because he ran on conservative principles,” SCF Executive Director Matt Hoskins said in a statement.

The Tea Party Express also congratulated Mooney and said they too would work with him in the general election. And The Madison Project’s director Drew Ryun said Mooney will “always fight for West Virginia’s conservative values, even if that means bucking party leadership.”
Mooney is a Dartmouth College alum and a friend and classmate of a friend of mine. Interesting times, for sure . . .
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Tea Party candidate also wins against establishment GOP in Nebraska US Senate primary:
Tea-party-backed Ben Sasse wins Nebraska primary for U.S. Senate

By Sean Sullivan
May 13 at 9:58 pm

Republican Ben Sasse comfortably won his party's nomination for U.S. Senate in Nebraska Tuesday, handing the national tea party groups that backed him a much-needed victory headed into the heart of a congressional primary season offering few opportunities for success.
Republican U.S. Senate candidate Ben Sasse, left, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Sharon Lee and Utah Sen. Mike Lee, stand together on the platform at Buffalo Bill State Historical Park in North Platte, Neb., at an April 25 rally for Sasse's campaign. (Job Vigil, The Telegraph/AP)

Ben Sasse, left, former Alaska governor Sarah Palin, Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Sharon Lee and Utah Sen. Mike Lee, stand together at an April 25 rally. (Job Vigil, The Telegraph/AP)

A week ahead of U.S. Senate nominating contests in Kentucky and Georgia, where tea party candidates have fizzled, and a U.S. House primary in Idaho where the tea party challenger may lose, national conservative groups were nervously eyeing Nebraska, where they deployed substantial resources to support Sasse.

"Ben Sasse’s victory in the Nebraska Senate Republican primary shows the strength of the conservative movement. All three candidates ran as conservatives -- as GOP candidates are doing everywhere -- but Nebraskans weren't fooled," said conservative activist L. Brent Bozell III.

Sasse's win was a boon to the parade of conservative groups and figures who rallied to his side. Sens. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) and Mike Lee (R-Utah) campaigned for Sasse alongside former Alaska governor Sarah Palin. The anti-tax Club for Growth and the Senate Conservatives Fund each spent at least hundreds of thousands of dollars supporting Sasse, the president of Midland University.

Sasse blunted a mini-surge from wealthy bank executive Sid Dinsdale, who appeared to emerge as a threat during the final week of the campaign amid a nasty advertising battle pitting Sasse and his allies against former state treasurer Shane Osborn, the candidate most closely aligned with the GOP establishment.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/pos ... -s-senate/

Apparently, Ben Sasse is closely related to Ben Dover and Mike Easter.
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Tea Party challengers fall short in primaries

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell defeated his GOP challenger in Kentucky by 25 percentage points, a high-profile but low-suspense race on a critical primary day when voters cast ballots in six states. In Georgia, a Senate Republican primary headed to a runoff with the two candidates favored by GOP establishment leaders. And in Oregon, pediatric neurosurgeon Monica Wehby fended off a more conservative challenger in her Republican primary.

After a year of threats from conservative outside groups, no GOP incumbents lost Tuesday. Idaho Rep. Mike Simpson beat back a tea partier supported by groups such as Club for Growth, with help from the business lobby and Mitt Romney. National Republican Congressional Committee Chairman Greg Walden, targeted in Oregon by a national campaign called Primary My Congressman, received triple the support of his opponent with more than half the votes in. And House Transportation and Infrastructure Committee Chairman Bill Shuster prevailed over his challenger in Pennsylvania by 18 points.

Republican leaders have maneuvered to nominate candidates who they hope can avoid the kinds of foot-in-mouth mistakes that cost them winnable races last cycle in red states like Missouri and Indiana.

The McConnell victory, called immediately after polls closed, is a blow to the conservative outside groups that spent more than $1 million supporting his opponent, Matt Bevin. McConnell now faces Democratic nominee Alison Lundergan Grimes, who is seen as a formidable general election opponent in what promises to be one of the year’s most expensive races.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2014/05/2 ... z32MGcDMrA
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I was particularly pleased by Dr. Wehby's victory in Oregon...her victory has put another state in play, and created another race where Democrats will have to expend serious resources.

She started out as an unknown long shot, and won last night with 51% of the vote in a four candidate field. She's a very formidable campaigner, with a top tier campaign team. She also had what was probably the best "Introduce the Candidate To The Public" campaign ad I have ever seen:

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Lord Jim wrote:She also had what was probably the best "Introduce the Candidate To The Public" campaign ad I have ever seen:
How is that even a good "Introduce the Candidate" spot? She's a good and caring surgeon, so what? How is that even remotely relevant to her abilities at crafting public policy and navigating the trench warfare of Washington politics? It's been my observation that, as a rule, doctors make terrible politicians.
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Sue, it's a great commercial because of the purpose that this particular type of ad has...

"Introduce The Candidate" ads aren't about addressing issues; they're about building a first impression favorable rating...

And this ad succeeded in accomplishing that brilliantly...

You don't have to take my word for it; just look at the numbers...

She can't win the election just on this ad, but it also accomplishes a strategic political purpose...

It's going to be awfully tough for the Dems to portray this candidate as a callous, unfeeling, "war on women" type...

They're not going to be able to count a big gender gap to carry them over the finish line...
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Lord Jim wrote:It's going to be awfully tough for the Dems to portray this candidate as a callous, unfeeling, "war on women" type...
So she's going to campaign on her rejection of the GOP positions in the national policy debates? I'm not saying it's not possible, particularly in a Senate race (see, e.g., Olympia Snowe, but see also Olympia Snowe's retirement), but why not just vote for a Democrat in the first place?
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Sue U wrote:
Lord Jim wrote:She also had what was probably the best "Introduce the Candidate To The Public" campaign ad I have ever seen:
How is that even a good "Introduce the Candidate" spot? She's a good and caring surgeon, so what? How is that even remotely relevant to her abilities at crafting public policy and navigating the trench warfare of Washington politics? It's been my observation that, as a rule, doctors make terrible politicians.
See e.g., Rand Paul and Thomas Coburn.





And yes, Howard Dean, sigh.
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Guinevere wrote:See e.g., Rand Paul and Thomas Coburn.
Not to mention Ron Paul (R*-TX), Paul Broun (R*-GA), Scott DesJarlais (R*-TN), and many others (R*-, R*-, R*-, R*-, R*-, R*-, R*-, R*-, R*-.....)



* do I sense a theme here? ;)
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And Frist, a special case who was not only a bad politician, but a bad doctor; a doctor who diagnosed Terry Schiavo's state based on looking at videos (and either hallucinating or lying about them) and then denying he ever said anything after her autopsy proved him wrong.

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I have to disagree with all of you about the political skills of the politico-doctors that have been mentioned here...

Whether you agree or disagree with them on policy, they certainly do not qualify as "terrible politicians"...

Far from it...

To take them in turn:

Coburn was elected to the House 3 times, and twice to the Senate; that simply cannot happen if you are a "terrible politician"

Frist was such a "terrible politician" that he not only got elected to two terms in the Senate, but also got elected by the GOP Caucus to serve as Senate Majority leader after only eight years in the Senate. (A post he then held for four years, before retiring after two terms, as he had pledged to do.)

Howard Dean may have blown his Presidential chances with that idiotic scream, but he wouldn't have even gotten to that point had he been a "terrible politician". Here's Dean's electoral record:
Dean was elected to the Vermont House of Representatives as a Democrat in 1982 and was elected lieutenant governor in 1986. Both were part-time positions that enabled him to continue practicing medicine. In 1991, Dean became governor of Vermont when Richard A. Snelling died in office. Dean was subsequently elected to five two-year terms, serving from 1991 to 2003, making him the second longest-serving governor in Vermont history, after Thomas Chittenden (1778–1789 and 1790–1791).
And then in 2004, he went from national unknown to front runner for the Democratic Presidential nomination...

This is a record in politics that is illustrative of considerable political skill...

And finally Rand Paul...

I find Paul's positions on defense and national security absolutely abhorrent, (in fact downright frightening) but I sure wouldn't call him a "terrible politician"...((I'd be very happy if he were)

The guy beat the Kentucky GOP political establishment to get nominated, and now after less than four years in the Senate, he has become a national political "phenom" commanding huge press attention and being taken seriously in many quarters, (though never by me) as a serious Presidential contender...

Given their impressive records of political success, anyone who characterizes these fellows as "terrible politicians" must be defining that phrase in a very unusual way...

Just a guess, but I suspect you may be allowing your disapproval of their "politics" to cloud your judgement about their political skills... ;)
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Certainly one way to define a "good politician" is "someone who gets elected"; personally I think that's setting the bar pretty low, but lately Republicans have been about nothing if not lowering the bar. :evil:
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Isolating the Tea Party would only be a useful thing if they repudiated all the stupid things the Tea Party cadre got them to do. Otherwise its just naked greased pig wrestling, a sideshow.

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When they admit they screwed up by shutting down the government and did something both morally wrong and politically stupid, wake me up.

When they admit they were wrong about global warming and the ACA I'll actually send the GOP a check.

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Well Jim, IMHO,Frist was both a bad doctor and a bad politician, where I define the term "bad" to be out and out lies to his constituency to make a political point, relying on his status as a doctor to give him some credibility. He out and out lied when he said he saw Terry Schiavo responding to visual stimuli (we now know that would have been impossible) and then backed away from it by saying he never made (or intended to make a medical diagnosis. It cost him a lot of credibility, and made him a laughingstock in some circles, and at the very least his ability to pursue his agenda was damaged.

Clinton did the same thing by saying he "did not have sexual relations with that woman" and parsing the verb "is", and those prevarications haunted him for most of his second term, making him the butt of many a joke, and any real policy changes near impossible.

For some people, the truth is important, and getting caught in blatant lie(s) to score political points will damage your effectiveness. But many politicians have the hubris to think that the truth is whatever they say it is, and their constituents will continue to line up behind them.

If you define political success as accumulation of the trappings of power, both these men had that. If you define it as being able to work within the system, earn the trust of your constituents and the public at large (whether they agree with you or not), and effect at least some policies, both of these men lacked that.

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