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MajGenl.Meade wrote:... unless of course she self-identifies as "not at all crackers".
Yes, crazy people "self identifying" themselves as sane...

That would seem to be the next logical step...

Of course, I don't want to "judge".... :?

Let's have the lunatics run the asylum...
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:lol:
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Big RR, how is this woman any different from the one who claimed to be in the twin towers on 9/11 and who then got herself into a leadership position with 9/11 survivors? They were outraged by her pretending to be something she wasn't - this seems exactly the same, IMHO.
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That's a good analogy...

This woman may mean well, but there's something
psychologically going on here that's just not right...
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I guess the only other thing I would say is that I have no problem with her personal decision to choose to identify as a black woman, to estrange herself from her biological parents and to 'adopt' a black man as her father.

But I think her dishonesty in presenting herself AS BLACK (not as choosing to identify as black), to garner an Africana studies college teaching position, a leadership position with NAACP, and a position on the Spokane city board is reprehensible.

It's no different than the people who lie on their college applications to get the benefit of affirmative action programs - and there are people who do that, far too frequently.

There is a new story in the news today that she apparently told a tale about her 'black father' being hunted by police which is also not true . . . so it's seeming more and more like she's taken on this racial identity and is using it to stir racial tensions (which don't need stirring - they are already justifiably high) based on events that are more than likely complete fabrications, like the threatening letters that never got postmarked. I think she's :loon and needs psychological counseling, but certainly she should not be in the positions she has since she presented herself falsely to get them. She's resigned from the NAACP and I would be shocked if she isn't let go by Eastern Washington U.

eta: While she is showing up in Google searches with an EWU listing, when you click the page for the faculty in the Africana Studies Department, she's no longer included in the listing. You might notice something that all the faculty have in common . . . http://www.ewu.edu/csbssw/programs/afri ... ep-faculty
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A final thought: I hope she's using massive amounts of self-tanner and not tanning booths, because otherwise her life is likely to be cut far short by melanoma - which ironically kills more black than white people.

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I see BSG just alluded to this above....
(CNN)—The president of the NAACP Spokane, Washington, chapter Rachel Dolezal has resigned, according to a letter from her which was posted Monday on the NAACP Spokane Facebook page.

Dolezal did not address allegations that have landed her and her family in the national spotlight over the past several days. Her parents, who are white, allege that she has been lying and presenting herself as black when she is not.
I guess she wasn't paying attention: "Martin Luther King said we don't want to be judged by the color of our skin, (but) ... on the content of our character."
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Rachel Dolezal has resigned
Further proof that she was a fake. She went and did the white thing.

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BSG - I'm a mite suspicious of this one...

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She's in my grandson's High School yearbook and he says he doesn't think she's Ethiopian...
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LOL!!!
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Somebody remind me why this is a HUGE national news story that I should give a flying fuck about? :loon
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Econoline wrote:Somebody remind me why this is a HUGE national news story that I should give a flying fuck about? :loon
Whether you should or should not give a flying fuck about it is a personal choice, but the reason that it's a big national news story is because it's extremely unusual...
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Lord Jim wrote:
Whether you should or should not give a flying fuck about it is a personal choice, but the reason that it's a big national news story is because it's extremely unusual...
I believe this is also symptomatic of a certain mindset and will become more prevalent.
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Oh it gets better...
JUNE 15--The NAACP official who today resigned in the face of evidence that she masqueraded as black once sued Howard University for denying her teaching posts and a scholarship because she was a white woman, The Smoking Gun has learned.

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Rachel Dolezal, 37, who headed the NAACP’s Spokane, Washington chapter, sued Howard for discrimination in 2002, the year she graduated from the historically black college with a Master of Fine Arts degree.

Dolezal, then known as Rachel Moore, named the university and Professor Alfred Smith as defendants in a lawsuit filed in Washington, D.C.’s Superior Court. During the pendency of the civil case, Smith was chairman of Howard’s Department of Art.

According to a Court of Appeals opinion, Dolezal's lawsuit “claimed discrimination based on race, pregnancy, family responsibilities and gender.” She alleged that Smith and other school officials improperly blocked her appointment to a teaching assistant post, rejected her application for a post-graduate instructorship, and denied her scholarship aid while she was a student.

The court opinion also noted that Dolezal claimed that the university’s decision to remove some of her artworks from a February 2001 student exhibition was “motivated by a discriminatory purpose to favor African-American students over” her.

As detailed in the court opinion, Dolezal’s lawsuit contended that Howard was “permeated with discriminatory intimidation, ridicule, and insult.”

Judge Zoe Bush dismissed Dolezal’s complaint in February 2004, 18 months after the lawsuit was filed and Dolezal was deposed on several occasions. Bush found no evidence that Dolezal was discriminated on the basis of race or other factors. The D.C. Court of Appeals subsequently affirmed Bush’s decision.

Following the dismissal of Dolezal’s lawsuit (and the Court of Appeals decision), she was ordered to reimburse Howard for a “Bill of Costs” totaling $2728.50. During the case, she was also ordered to pay the university nearly $1000 in connection with an “obstructive and vexatious” court filing that sought to improperly delay her examination by an independent doctor.

Dolezal’s lawsuit, included “claims for medical and emotional distress damages,” according to a court docket. (5 pages)
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:loon
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:shock:

Wowsers....somebody get a butterfly net....

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From the Washington Post article about the lawsuit:
“I remember Rachel as a gifted, highly intelligent and sensitive person who came to us as a fully formed and quite an excellent artist,” Smedley [her thesis advisor] said. “Yes, she appeared then to be enamored with black people and black culture. I found this somewhat unusual, but I do not think this odd, as many people are infatuated with African Americans, especially those who gravitate to the arts.”

He added that he hoped people would judge Dolezal on the good she has done and on the merit of her professional and volunteer efforts. “I hope this outweighs this possible glitch in her emotional or psychological well-being,” he said.

He does not question now that she has been dishonest about her ethnicity in recent years, he said. But “I do not believe she intends harm, or did so with malice.”

In a follow-up e-mail he wrote that issues of race also harm the white majority. “‘White’ people who have inherited a privileged place in society seemingly have just two choices: stay ignorant, accept and continue to justify the delusion that America is and always has been great and democratic; or do some research and then feel the heavy guilt and shame upon discovering the ugly truth about the systemic unfairnesses that their ancestors perpetuated.

“Neither of these are healthy, and I suspect that this isn’t the last time we will see another white person choose to switch sides.”

Smedley said he’s sorry for the impact all this must be having on her family and people caught up in the story. He hopes everyone doesn’t get caught up in vilifying her. “We may end up seeing this as the catalyst to a conversation we wouldn’t have had if she didn’t do this,” he said. “I don’t know.

“She may in the end come up with a beautiful and eloquent answer — this was all one big performance art piece.”
She's going to be on the Today show tomorrow morning - wanna bet this is the excuse she'll use? Art to provoke social progress? Almost wish I had TV . . .
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It gets EVEN BETTER:

This painting from 1840 hangs in the Boston Museum of Fine Art - it's called The Slave Ship, by J.M.W. Turner:

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This is Rachel Dolezal's painting called The Shape of Our Kind:

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from her blog: http://racheldolezal.blogspot.com/2012/01/triptych.html

:loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon :loon
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She likes to create a false impressionist
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