A Thread For Liberty To Express His New Posting Style

[liberty]

I was talking to a liberal friend who thinks Obama cut the nation debt. Why would liberals believe that; no president has reduced the national debt? And Obama raised it more than any other president. I think he was thinking about the deficit not the debt


https://www.breitbart.com/live/third-pr ... wo-thirds/



Fact-Check: No, President Barack Obama Did Not Cut the Deficit by Two-Thirds


During the third presidential debate, Hillary Clinton praised President Obama’s economic performance, adding: “He has cut the deficit by two-thirds.”

Fact-Check: FALSE
This repeated Democratic canard relies on fraudulent accounting that only starts more than halfway through Obama’s first year in office, after the $862 billion stimulus, the massive omnibus spending bill (“porkulus”), and the deployment of the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP), which was signed by Obama’s predecessor but for which he voted.

As Breitbart News noted when President Obama claimed in January to have cut the deficit by “almost three-quarters”:

This is pure fiction. Obama has doubled the national debt, and it’s not because he cut the deficit. Rather, he spent staggering amounts of money in his first months in office–which he assigns, dishonestly, to the previous fiscal year, under George W. Bush. He “cut” (i.e. spent more gradually) from that spending, but only under protest, after Republicans took the House in 2010.

The truth is that Obama vastly expanded the deficit in a doomed and ill-conceived experiment in Keynesian stimulus spending, much of which was wasted on priorities that helped Obama’s political supporters — especially the public sector unions — but did little for the economy.

[Joe Guy]

You shouldn't get your "facts" from Breitbart.

[liberty]

You shouldn't get your "facts" from Breitbart.

Everyone cares about credibility don’t they? The way to lose credibility is to lie. I am not talking about liberals lies which may or may not be real lies. But an actual factual statement of fact that is wrong when the individual making the statement knows it is wrong. I don’t think any news organization will risk their credibility making claims they can’t prove.

[Scooter]

Learning the difference between deficit and debt might be a good, since you begin by talking about one and then post an article that spreads falsehoods about the other.

Oh yeah, care to produce this imaginary friend who claims that Obama cut the national debt?

Yeah, didn't think so.

[liberty]

Why did many western liberals like the Soviet Union?
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5 Answers

Dima Vorobiev, Former Soviet propaganda executive
Answered Dec 27, 2017 · Author has 3.5k answers and 51.6m answer views
The Soviet Union was a progressivist project stemming from the ideas in the Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx.
It came about in the early XX century, and coincided with the zeitgeist of Liberal reforms in the Western world. Many members of the Fabian society, like George Bernard Shaw, H. G. Wells, and Bertrand Russell, saw in Soviet Communists their spiritual cousins, and used the weight of their intellectual and moral authority to gather international support for the USSR. Liberals in the US, France and many other countries joined the effort.
After WWII, when more and more facts about the price that people in the USSR had to pay for industrialization, universal education and health service, gender equality and other items on the agenda of liberal progressivism, this support waned, but never disappeared: “Good concept, dismal execution”.

(I concur for the most part: the CCCP became very popular again during the Vietnam era of the Cold War when young liberals considered US soldiers baby burners and war criminals.)


Yariv Hastilow, rationalist
Answered Mar 14, 2014 · Author has 114 answers and 91.1k answer views
They didn't, you are probably confusing liberals with socialists because they both generally oppose conservatism and thus are depicted in the same area of the left/right scale. See The Political Compass for a more accurate example of how to represent political views.

Many socialists felt sympathetic towards the Soviet Union because its ideology regarding the economy was close to their own. However, the Soviet Union was also authoritarian, which is the antithesis of liberalism.

( bullshit )



Thomas Harvey, former Professional Photographer/Photographic Engineer at Eastman Kodak (1976-2005)
Answered Dec 31, 2017 · Author has 419 answers and 139.1k answer views
Much of the liberal west’s love affair with the Soviet Union came as a backlash to the great depression. The unregulated capitalism of the Roaring Twenties lead to the stock market crash, bank failures, loss of personal savings and millions of unemployed. Liberals felt that the super wealthy had manipulated the economy to their advantage and emerged largely unscathed. Capitalism had destroyed its self through its own accesses as Marx predicted it would. They looked to the Soviet Union with its planned economy, promise of full employment and redistribution of wealth as the new model.
(I concur for the most part )

Alex Cano, I live through collapse of Soviet Union and get good money out of it.
Answered Dec 28, 2017 · Author has 508 answers and 1m answer views
Because Soviet Union has realised most of their dreams:
Banned racism
Introduced Equality between men and women
Allowed men of any race to merry woman of any race (Germany was forced to adopt same law in 1945, USA kept laws until 1967 .
Free medical services for everyone
Free education for everyone
Focus on public transportation versus personal cars
No frills packaging (most food was wrapped in brown paper - just like Americans “natural” shops)
Bring your own bag to shop was a norm in USSR.

(Yea, except food and liberty, but who needs unimportant stuff. )

[RayThom]

Why did many western liberals like the Soviet Union?
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5 Answers

So where is #5? I bet that's the best one of all.

[Bicycle Bill]

Good grief, Ray, don't encourage him.

-"BB"-

[MajGenl.Meade]

I detect a possible confusion of "the liberal west" with "western liberals". It's a neat sidestep but dishonest, as usual.

lib, for heaven's sake why are you copy/pasting comments from the lower orders?

[liberty]

I detect a possible confusion of "the liberal west" with "western liberals". It's a neat sidestep but dishonest, as usual.

lib, for heaven's sake why are you copy/pasting comments from the lower orders?

Good grief Greade look at the pattern and you think you are intelligent. Hell, just ask Gob he can explain it to you.

[liberty]

This guy should know what he is talking. I believe there are liberals today like Omar who would set up concentration camps for conservatives, moderates, uncle toms and reactionaries if they could. Thank God for the Constitution and conservative constitutionalist on the SC.

Why did many western liberals like the Soviet Union?
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5 Answers

Dima Vorobiev, Former Soviet propaganda executive
Answered Dec 27, 2017 · Author has 3.5k answers and 51.6m answer views
The Soviet Union was a progressivist project stemming from the ideas in the Communist Manifesto of Karl Marx.
It came about in the early XX century, and coincided with the zeitgeist of Liberal reforms in the Western world. Many members of the Fabian society, like George Bernard Shaw, H. G. Wells, and Bertrand Russell, saw in Soviet Communists their spiritual cousins, and used the weight of their intellectual and moral authority to gather international support for the USSR. Liberals in the US, France and many other countries joined the effort.
After WWII, when more and more facts about the price that people in the USSR had to pay for industrialization, universal education and health service, gender equality and other items on the agenda of liberal progressivism, this support waned, but never disappeared: “Good concept, dismal execution”.

[Scooter]

Funny, but the only concentration camps I see being set up are those being used by white supremacists and segregationists like yourself to warehouse and starve brown skinned children, in your quest to Make America White Again.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Good grief Greade look at the pattern and you think you are intelligent. Hell, just ask Gob he can explain it to you.

Much of the liberal west’s love affair with the Soviet Union came as a backlash to the great depression. The unregulated capitalism of the Roaring Twenties lead to the stock market crash, bank failures, loss of personal savings and millions of unemployed. Liberals felt that the super wealthy had manipulated the economy to their advantage and emerged largely unscathed.

You see how he changed "liberal west" to "liberals"? It's a fact; the west, even among conservatives, is considerably more liberal than the Soviets; their vaunted "equality" was just lipstick on a pig. He should have written, "western liberals" in the first place. (And spelled "excesses" correctly).

I looked at the pattern (?) but it didn't make me think anyone was intelligent, neither the quoted nor the quoter.

[rubato]

Bertrand Russell visited the Soviet Union and condemned them in the book “the practice and theory of Bolshevism”. 1921 You are an ignorant idiot.

Yrs,
Rubato

[liberty]

From liberal news media:


Alleged Sex-Trafficker Jeffrey Epstein Donated Heavily to Dems, Including the Clintons, Schumer, and Kerry

Alleged child trafficker Jeffrey Epstein donated mostly to Democrat candidates over the years.
Alleged child sex-trafficker Jeffrey Epstein donated heavily to Democrat candidates and committees during the years he was exploiting underage girls, an Open Secrets analysis found.
The billionaire hedge fund manager was arrested on Saturday and charged with sex-trafficking and for abusing a large network of underage girls more than a decade after his alleged crimes were first revealed by the Palm Beach Police.
According to an investigation by the Miami Herald, Epstein actively exploited girls as young as 14-years-old from at least 2001 to 2005.
Democrats have launched an effort in recent days to turn the sordid Epstein saga into a political problem for Republicans, however, the high-flying financier socialized with both Democrats and Republicans over the years, and significantly more Democrats than Republicans benefited from his political donations.

[Scooter]

And yet with all of those Democratic associates, only Republican Donald Trump has been accused of having sex with, aka raping, a minor in Epstein's home. Go figure.

[Joe Guy]

Aha! It was probably Epstein that financed Hillary's child trafficking pizza restaurants.

[MajGenl.Meade]

We'd know the truth if the emails hadn't been suppressed by the axis of Democrat/FBI/educated people as part of the plot to make America weak again.

[rubato]

The only person that I could find at the FEC website that this Jeffrey Epstein* supported was a delegate to the congress from the US virgin Islands for $2500. And she is an incumbent. Stacey Plaskett. He also have $10,000 to the DCCC.

A nominal amt given his wealth and probably just to have access.

yrs,
rubato

There are several other Jeffrey Epsteins, an MD, people with different employers and addresses.

[rubato]

The press today said that "several" bones in his neck were broken including the hyoid bone which is often broken in cases of strangulation. I'm surprised. Not about the hyoid bone which is thin and easily broken but what technique he could have used to break several bones. Several has to be more than two, yes? Guessing I would say one was the odontoid process and another was the other one of the first two cervical vertebrae, the atlas. I don't know how he could break both of those. I would think the atlas would be disarticulated before it broke as would the other cervical vertebrae. The hyoid bone is often broken during autopsy but you can tell if it was broken post-mortem because the broken ends don't have blood on them.

Weird. I'm starting to wonder gently about conspiracy theories.

yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

I think lib lies. "From liberal news media".... his quoted source is "PJ Media (originally known as Pajamas Media) . . . an American conservative opinion and commentary collaborative blog that was founded in 2004"

If he intends to mean OpenSecrets.org, a more relevant quote is found below. As rube indicates, Epstein's recorded monetary donations were chicken-feed; $319,000 over 14 years

What I want to know, lib, is this: what's your point? (Generously assuming you have one - there's always a first time).

From 1989 up until 2003, Epstein donated more than $139,000 to Democratic federal candidates and committees and over $18,000 to Republican candidates and groups, according to data from OpenSecrets. Notable recipients include former President Bill Clinton and former Senator Bob Packwood, a Republican. In 2003, a couple of years before a full-scale investigation into the allegations of sexual exploitation of underage girls, his political giving abruptly stopped.

From 1999 to 2003, Epstein donated $77,000 to Democrats John Kerry, Richard Gephardt, Chris Dodd, and other high-profile politicians and committees. Dodd received a $1,000 contribution from Epstein during his reelection campaign in 2003, however, the contribution was returned in 2006.

After a hiatus in political giving during the investigations into his sexual abuse, Epstein gave to independent Connecticut House candidate Gwendolyn Beck in 2014 and U.S. Virgin Islands Democratic Delegate Stacey Plaskett both in 2016 and the most recent midterms (Epstein owns a private island in the Virgin Islands called Little Saint James).

Most recently, Epstein contributed $10,000 to the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee in October 2018. It was swiftly returned by the committee four days later.

https://www.opensecrets.org/news/2018/1 ... e-heavily/