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wesw wrote:h0w s that law degree w0rking 0ut f0r y0u, genius?

I ll let y0u g0 n0w...

yer just a tiddler...

just remember wh0 started it.

and BSG...., spiders ARE danger0us.

let it g0 at that, as y0u c0uld have bef0re.
And really, why for pity’s sake are you incapable of saying ‘gee, I was mistaken - thanks for sharing that information with me’?!?!?! :loon

But this kind of irrational egotistical behavior is very common in men from my 50 years observational experience, and is exactly why I agree with Obama - women could definitely do better. Sure there are examples of bad women leaders - women mostly shaped by the systems run for generations by men, women likely forced to engage in communication styles and negotiation styles adopted by most men in order to get ahead and get into leadership roles - so why wouldn’t they fall into the same patterns as the men preceding them? Nevertheless there are decades of sociological and psychological studies showing that the natural communication styles of most women are far more conducive to collaboration and progressive action than the way men work together. There is every reason to believe that we would, in fact, do better. Men have certainly had the reins long enough, we should have our chance. But the sad frustrated egos of most men just can’t cope with a lady boss - they’re too twisted up their whole damned lives over some girl that rejected them or laughed at their penis and they make us all pay in perpetuity for their pathetic emotional immaturity.
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I guess it is a record breaking cold day in Hell because here I am defending wesw.

There has been at least one woman reporting to legitimate medical services in Michigan this calendar year where she was officially diagnosed with a bite from a Brown Recluse Spider that happened within the state of Michigan.

Local nature academic experts in Delaware do not have a great record on what animals are not within the state. There was great denial that a Cougar or Mountain Lion could actually be present in Delaware that was finally refuted when school security cameras in Delaware City recorded one prowling around the school grounds at night.

It has long been claimed there are no poisonous snakes in Delaware. This was finally but grudgingly withdrawn as a public relations position when park employees at Alapocas Run admitted there was a den of Copperheads in the park that had been there for years. It was surrounded by dense growth of poison ivy that was expected to keep the public out.

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My posts acknowledge the extremely rare occurrence of brown recluse spiders in Michigan and the Delmarva, places where nobody credible argues they are indigenous or established.

Always nice to see a brother defend another brother against a knowledgeable woman, though. :ok
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This article is written by a MAN who is an entomologist; perhaps you’ll defer to him (even though this uppity bitch is the one posting it).
Don’t panic over brown recluse spiders in Michigan

There are rare, isolated populations of brown recluse spiders living in Michigan, but the vast majority of Michiganders will never come within a half-mile of a brown recluse spider. See photos of common-look-alikes.

Howard Russell - June 22, 2018

Brown recluse
The brown recluse spider, Loxosceles reclusa, (Sicariidae). Photo courtesy of Lisa Ames, University of Georgia, Bugwood.org
There were two stories of people diagnosed with brown recluse bites in the media this past week, “Muskegon woman hospitalized after brown recluse spider bite” from Detroit Free Press and “Rising temps may mean more brown recluse spiders” from Wood TV. One person was reported to have been bitten up in Leelanau County, the other in Nunica, Michigan, in Ottawa County. Both bites were reported to have occurred outside. The offending spider was not collected and identified in either case. The attending physicians based their diagnosis on the appearance of the bite.

Last year, a woman sent me a spider she captured in the act of biting her. The bite festered and she went to the emergency room at the University of Michigan Hospital in Ann Arbor, Michigan. The attending physician diagnosed the bite as that of a brown recluse spider. The spider the lady sent me was a yellow sac spider, Cheiracanthium spp.and (Miturgidae).

It is very difficult to diagnose the perpetrator of a bite based on the appearance of a bite. I am not saying it’s impossible that both of these people were bitten by a brown recluse spider, but it is very unlikely.

Even though Michigan is not in the accepted native range of the brown recluse, it has been found in 10 Michigan counties. Prior to 2017, it had been found in Genesee, Hillsdale, Lenawee, Ingham and Kent counties. The Kent County find came from a home in Grand Rapids, Michigan, where the residents had just returned from a trip to Missouri, where the spider is common. Recluse spiders are known to hitchhike in boxes, suitcases and articles of commerce.

In the spring of 2017, a brown recluse spider was found in an unheated garage in Genesee County and in a building on the University of Michigan campus in Ann Arbor (see the 2017 Michigan State University Extension article, “Update on brown recluse spiders in Michigan”). The owner of the garage indicated she had not traveled out of Michigan prior to finding the spiders. Large universities like Michigan have large transient populations of students and visitors from all over the country, so it is not too surprising for a recluse or two to show up there.

In the past 14 months, over 700 Michiganders have sent me photographs of spiders thought to be recluse spiders they had encountered in their homes and yards. Some people just sent stories about bites thought to be recluse bites. Some of these stories were profoundly heart-wrenching.

Of these 700 spider photos, only seven turned out to be of brown recluse spiders. Five of these represented new county records for the recluse in Michigan. The new county records were for Livingston, Oakland, Shiawassee and Wayne counties. There have been multiple finds in Genesee, Washtenaw and Lenawee counties.

Here is a map of Michigan showing the counties where the recluse spider has been found. The counties shown in blue are where the brown recluse had been found prior to 2017. Red counties are where it was found in 2017.

map of brown recluse finds in Michigan

One of these recluse populations, located in a single family residence in Tecumseh, Michigan, in Lenawee County, has been eradicated. This was a true reproducing population of brown recluse spiders consisting of numerous individuals of all life stages including eggs, juveniles and adults. After several attempts using conventional insecticide sprays failed to rid the spiders from their home, the homeowners took out a second mortgage and hired a crew to encase the home in plastic sheeting and pump it full of Vikane gas. They felt they had no other choice to protect their small children.

No one in this family was ever bitten by the spiders over the several years they had shared their home with them. They sent me this photo below of their home while it was prepped for the fumigation.

tecumseh lenawee county 2011 brown recluse house fumigation

So what does this all mean? It means there are rare, isolated populations of brown recluse spiders living in Michigan. It means that the vast majority of Michiganders will never come within a half-mile of a brown recluse spider. None of the brown recluse spiders that have been found in Michigan walked here from Arkansas or even southern Ohio for that matter; they were brought or carried here in suitcases, boxes or some other cartage.

I think it is too early to suggest they represent the beginning of a great northern migration of the brown recluse. There has been only one report of a recluse spider from Wisconsin and that was in 2016. There have been no reports of recluse spiders marauding through the northern parts of Ohio, Indiana or Illinois, so try to relax and enjoy your summer. Please. If you think you found a recluse, send me the spider or a photo of the spider to bugman@msu.edu. I will either put your mind to ease or ruin your summer.

There are about 37,000 species of spiders worldwide with about 3,800 species in North America. Michigan is home to just 500 or so native species of spiders, only three of these native species (not including the brown recluse) are medically important. These are the northern black widow, yellow sac spider and, to a lesser degree, the northern cobweb spider. Yellow sac spiders are very common in and around homes. All Michigan spiders are predators that use venom to subdue their prey. Most will try to bite if threatened. None will aggressively chase you down the hall to bite you, although some consider the yellow sac spider to be a recreational biter—that is, they will bite you just for the hang of it.

Michigan spiders range in size from under 1/8 inch in the Linyphiidae (sheetweb and dwarf spiders) to almost an inch long in the Lycosidae (wolf spiders). Though tiny, researchers have estimated there are 25 metric million tons of spiders on the earth right now.

Spiders do possess a super power too. The silk spiders spin to build their webs and dangle from your ceiling is one of the strongest materials known. Not all spiders construct webs of silk to capture their prey. Some simply run their prey down and overwhelm it. Others are ambush hunters that lie in wait for their prey to walk by then pounce on it.

More than 90 percent of the spider’s diet is made up of insects and they chow through as much as 800 million tons of prey every year. In doing so, spiders play an essential role in keeping natural ecosystems in balance. However, for many, the very word "spider" conjures terrifying or repulsive images, and I’m now going to share with you some of those images (at the end of this article).

Back to Michigan spiders. The 700 photos or specimens of spiders sent to me last year that were not recluse spiders include most, if not all, of the common spiders found around Michigan homes. The nursery web spider and the dark fishing spiders are most likely to be confused with a brown recluse.
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yes, BP, Delaware d0es n0t have a g00d rec0rd in that regard.

t0urism , y0u kn0w. and n0 0ne wants t0 m0ve t0 a state with p0is0n0us spiders and snakes

the eastern sh0re, especially the l0wer sh0re, has many mre s0uthern species

in the c0l0nial times it is thught that the jaguar was even here.

my ld w0rld b00ks shwed the jaguars f0rmer range as running up the east cast t0 in clude the eastern sh0re

d0wn in cape Charles the fl0ra is very s0uthern l00king, at the beach

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Given wesw’s record for swallowing everything DJT says and promoting hysterical conspiracy theories, I’m gonna take a wild guess that he’s never in his life seen an actual brown recluse spider. He’s afraid of spiders, vastly overstates the dangers of spiders and overreacts to anything that bears the slightest resemblance to a picture or pictures of brown recluses he’s seen in a book (nah) or online.

But whatever. I’m so glad we are led by men.
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I did several google searches using different variations and found not one credible scientific source asserting that brown recluse spiders are indigenous or established in Delaware. I suspect that just like the articles I’ve posted suggest, if any exist there they are extremely rare and the result of transport from one of their indigenous habitats. Further, I suspect that the many not reputable links I found asserting the presence of brown recluses in Delaware, were due to either unintentional misidentification (as described at length in the Michigan article) or more likely, intentional misstatements by exterminators who wish to scare arachnophobes into spending hundreds to fumigate their houses for deadly spiders that aren’t.
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wesw posted some ridiculous video calling a 16-year-old activist “the hypocrite of the year.” That says all anyone needs to know about his veracity, his misogyny, and his understanding of science.

Oh and I missed the post where he tried to insult me by comparing me to Greta. That irony meter broke again :loon :roll: :lol: 8-) :fu
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i have n0 idea what lives in Michigan

i ve never been t0 Michigan.

anything that i kn0w w0uld 0nly be hearsay.

i have lived an 0utd00r life 0n the eastern sh0re.

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And you are not a credible source, as is long and well established. Credible sources - the extension services and universities in the Delmarva - assert there is no evidence of indigenous populations of brown recluse spiders on the eastern shore.

Which makes sense since they thrive in hot dry environments and the eastern shore is nothing if not HUMID.

There are hundreds of brown spiders out there wesw. Most spiders are some variation of brown. Please don’t live in fear. There are no brown recluses coming to eat you alive - even in the infinitesimally small likelihood that you were to get bitten by a brown recluse, you’d at most lose a little chunk of flesh. It’s ok, really. Your wife would take good care of you, bless her heart.
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yeah, the guy I saw had a black dead mass f flesh as big arund as a baseball die 0n his arm . it left a permanent h0le in his arm, this was in the '80 s

he was in bad shape.

my m0m had a small patch f flesh die, ab0ut half the size 0f a marble.

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Fact — Frankly, I think I'd worry more about deer ticks and the possibility of Lyme Disease than I would of being bitten by either a black widow or a brown recluse spider.
Fact — I also don't lie awake at night worrying about the possibility of becoming the victim of a rattlesnake either, despite the fact that they are more common and found in almost all parts of the USA.
Fact — wesw is acting like even more of an asshole than usual today.
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well, I can t disagree with y0u 0n any 0f y0ur p0ints bill.

dammit!!!!!

8-)

edit.

0h wait!

I can!

black wid0ws are very c0mm0m here!!

I can find y0u 0ne in ten minutes in my shed, when it is warm at least....

there are supposedly s0me rattlers in upper Delaware, but n0t d0wn here....

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Guinevere wrote:... Many of you are just dinosaurs (not quail). Thank the goddess you'll eventually be extinct.
Can I assume your current relationship partner is excluded?
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MajGenl.Meade wrote:
“Women, I just want you to know, you are not perfect, but what I can say pretty indisputably is that you’re better than us,” Obama reportedly said Monday. “I’m absolutely confident that for two years if every nation on Earth was run by women, you would see a significant improvement across the board on just about everything."
Since no link or source was provided, and the full context is important, lets examine more of what Obama actually said, because this wasn’t just a throwaway line, he was both specific and nuanced in his comments:

https://www.npr.org/2019/12/16/78854951 ... of-the-way
"If you look at the world and look at the problems, it's usually old people, usually old men, not getting out of the way," Obama said, according to a BBC report about the event.

"They cling to power, they are insecure, they have outdated ideas and the energy and fresh vision and new approaches are squashed," he added, Today reports.
The former president said that if women were put in charge of every country for the next two years, the result would be gains "on just about everything," according to Singapore's Today.

"There would be less war, kids would be better taken care of and there would be a general improvement in living standards and outcomes," Obama said.
Obama has made similar comments in the past — including two years ago, when he discussed the importance of "putting women in power, because men seem to be having some problems these days."
Obama was similarly discussing the need for new leadership on a wide scale, singling out countries in the Middle East and elsewhere whose leaders have fought to remain in power despite being out of step. But he also said political leaders are only one part of the problem.

"What we need, in terms of global leadership, is people who are comfortable with and understand complexities," he said, according to the Singapore-based Straits Times. "But that, of course, requires citizens to be comfortable and understand complexity."

Today's leaders often reflect their constituents' insecurity, Obama said.

"Part of the challenge we have as humans is that when things get complicated and confusing we tend to want to block it out and look for simple answers," Obama was quoted as saying by the Straits Times. "So we are, oftentimes, getting a leadership that reflects our own insecurities and problems."
And yes, in my opinion, he is very much correct.
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funny that the pe0ple that call 0thers anti-w0man regularly engage in anti-man rants

if y0u spent m0re time in the kitchen y0u might n0tice that the p0t and the kettle are bth black and that they c0mplment each 0ther nicely

I l0ve my cast ir0n c00kware, but it d0es seem t0 get heavier every year....

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Sorry for not giving the link, Guin. :oops:

It was an interesting article (I thought). It was the part about old white men that fascinated me, which is why I wrote
And is it damaging to Biden et al that Obama also stated that old white men should step aside (both parties) and let a woman run the show in the USA? Which Republican woman do we think he had in mind? Which Democrat?
Do I think he really is recommending a Republican woman instead of old white dudes? No. A Democrat though, surely.

I find "you are better than us" to be condescending unless we believe he specifically meant old white men (which he isn't so how can that be?). No, he seems to be saying "women are better than men" which, in some contexts, is obvious. Child-bearing for instance though not so much chefs. (Oh I'm just saying that to be snarky - I know that Monica Geller is great in the kitchen).

The bold parts are my serious take. The rest is rubbish.
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