Cliques?

[Andrew D]

Wonderful word, "as". It conveys so many things even while covering up so many more.

President of the local bar? Congratulations.

Too bad, I guess, that the local bar is not the bar of somewhere that you actually want to be. But we all take what we can get.

Who knows? Maybe Dan will like my resume ....

[BoSoxGal]

Ah yes, now the predictable allegations that I'm a shitty lawyer because I choose to live in rural America.

Nevermind that I received my legal education at a prestigious law school (one of several to which I earned entry) and enjoyed success in one of the hottest legal markets in the world - but CHOSE to come to rural Montana, to work with Indians and to enjoy one of the most fantastic natural settings in the continental United States.

Lies! All lies!! I'm a worthless piece of shit because Andrew D says it's so!

[Andrew D]

... it's important to be the best at one thing in this life.

I'll have to leave that one to you. Maybe you're the best that the government of your little shithole -- the place where you wouldn't be if you'd managed to wangle any better prospects -- has to offer.

As for me, I often think that I've never been as good at anything else as I was at being a chorister.

Very few people understand how much work that takes.

Listen to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiXgOQ9_ ... re=related

, especially 3:35-3:40.

I used to be able to do that. (Then my balls dropped.)

(I'm having trouble linking youtube.)

Do you have any idea how hard that is?

Do you have even the faintest fucking idea how much work goes into those few seconds?

I worked harder for those few seconds than I ever had to work to get through law school, to pass the bar, or anything else I've ever done.

Have you ever been able to do anything even close to that?

I have stood before a federal appellate panel fielding questions fired at me by all three judges. I know the adrenaline rush that one gets in that state.

And yet, compared to what I did as a chorister, it pales.

Sure, it's a great thing to stand there and field all the questions correctly. (And it's an even greater thing to correct a federal appellate judge on the record and have him (as it happened, the judge was male) accept the correction.)

But there is nothing like the beauty of singing. Producing something of astonishing beauty from one's own lungs and larynx and diaphragm.

And the work. The work it takes.

Dragging your ass out of bed to show up an hour earlier than your non-chorister classmates. Day after day after day. Staying after school until 8:00, when your non-chorister classmates left at 3:30.

The breathing. I still breathe like a chorister. (Modern boa-constrictor seatbelts annoy me for precisely that reason.)

So you want to fuck with me about being "the best at one thing"?

Before I finished grammar school, I was better at being a chorister than you ever have been or ever will be at anything.

[Andrew D]

I'm a worthless piece of shit because Andrew D says it's so!

You have your clauses reversed. (And try looking up commas.)

[BoSoxGal]

As it happens, I've been a chorister myself for 30 years, with numerous awards in my box of life's accomplishments.

So, very much.

You latest rant about how awesome you are and how much better you are than me (or anybody else here, is the extended logic) just goes to prove how pathetically narcissistic you are.

Truly great people don't go around bleating about it endlessly, or denigrating others to uplift themselves.

[Andrew D]

Can you even fucking read?

Since my voice changed, I have not been as talented at anything as I was then.

What I am now = not as good as what I was then.

Get it?

Finally?

[BoSoxGal]

Can YOU even fucking read?!? Do you read your own posts and the responses of others in context?

You:

Have you ever been able to do anything even close to that?

Me (as clear from my responsive post):
YES.

Go yourself, little manic itchy narcissistic toad. Go ahead and denigrate me all you like, and tear down the places I've lived and practiced law, because all (including DC) must be pathetic, since I did well there.

Have this place all to your twisted pathetic trollish self. Bask in the adulation of your little lawyer fanclub here. Something tells me you ain't got much else, so I leave you to it.

Enjoy! Don't forget to call me unethical again, while you're at it - I'm printing those posts out for my scrapbook.

[Andrew D]

... numerous awards in my box of life's accomplishments.

... how pathetically narcissistic you are.

[Sean]

Andrew, give it a rest mate.

All of us here have achievements. Most of us choose not to brag of them unless goaded into doing so.
So far you have chosen to brag about:

Your choral skills
Your legal skills
Your gymnastic (potential ice dancing) skills
Your athletic skills
Your culinary skills
Your anti-bullying skills
Your huge intellect (and what a burden it is to you)
Your musical skills
Your high-brow taste in music
Your published works

I know I've probably missed out a few... This was from the top of my head. I'm sure others can add to it.

The point is Andrew, nobody is impressed by all of this. In fact the melodrama (which you claim to dislike) of your little stories makes me laugh. I'm sure that isn't the reaction you were aiming for.

[Andrew D]

My gymnastic skills?

My athletic skills?

Did you somehow miss the "entirely incompetent" part?

When did "entirely incompetent" become bragging?

[Andrew D]

My culinary skills?

I'm not making it on the Iron Chef.

So, yeah, I'm pretty good in my kitchen.

[Andrew D]

My choral skills?

You mean the skills which I just posted that I no longer possess?

[Andrew D]

My published works?

You mean the ones that actually exist?

Sorry about that.

I'll have to remember in future not to point out things which actually exist.

[Andrew D]

I don't want anyone to be impressed by any of it.

People who have some interest in my musical talent can listen to me play, and they can form their own opinions.

People who have sonme interest in my legal talent can read what I have written, and they can form their own opinions.

People who have some interest in my lack of athletic talent can form their oiwn opinions.

[Sean]

Oh Lordy...

Can somebody help me out here?
I don't think he even realises what he's doing...

[Lord Jim]

In some of his recent posts in this thread, we see numerous examples of the brazenly dishonest tactics that have become Andrew's stock in trade and which have made discussion with him completely pointless; gross mischaracterizations, things taken totally out of context to create a completely false narrative, shifted goal posts, endless diversions, and when all else fails, out right lies.

And the part that makes discussion with him utterly worthless is that he's been called on every one of those repeatedly, proven to be full of shit, and it makes no difference; he just goes on repeating them endlessly, in an effort to wear down those pointing out the truth so that he can replace what actually happened in the mind of the reader with his false accounts through sheer voluminous repetition.

Oh and I see he threw in a little "I'm the victim" whining to boot...he mendaciously spreads bullshit, and as more and more call him on it, they constitute a "clique"...

Again, everyone is to blame but poor little Andrewdriver...

As I said, the man learns absolutely nothing.

[Lord Jim]

BSG:

Don't let him draw you in to his life force draining rhetorical death spiral over things he's already been repeatedly shown to be full of shit about. That's exactly what he wants; the crux of his strategy is to get his target so frustrated and angry over his brazen willingness to keep repeating the same discredited crapola over and over that they get burned out and walk away from here. That's the objective.

When one lets him engage them again in specifics that he's already been shown to repeatedly have been dishonest about you hand him a double victory. He both wears you down, and creates a diversion from the central point of his blatantly deceptive behavior.

He'll get no more such victories from me. (His inability to get me to do this is part of what has contributed to his obsession with me.)

Whenever I have anything to say about him, it will be to keep the focus squarely where it belongs, and I will ignore any and all attempts at diversion.

(In fact I expect I will shortly go back to ignoring him completely except when I see him quoted, at which point I will feel perfectly free to comment on his toxic troll behavior)

[Andrew D]

I can help you out, Sean. It's pretty simple, really: Respond, if you feel like responding at all, to what I actually post.

You say that I bragged about my gymnastic and (other) athletic skills. In fact, however, what I posted is that in almost all matters athletic, I am "entirely incompetent".

You say that I bragged about my choral skills. Well, I have not been a chorister since just before my fourteenth birthday. More than three decades later, I have not, in my opinion, managed to get that good at anything else. That may be bragging about what I once was, long ago, but it is plainly not bragging about what I am now.

You say that I bragged about my anti-bullying skills. In fact, however, I did not even state how I put an end to the bullying.

Etc.

[Andrew D]

In some of his recent posts in this thread, we see numerous examples of the brazenly dishonest tactics that have become Andrew's stock in trade and which have made discussion with him completely pointless; gross mischaracterizations, things taken totally out of context to create a completely false narrative, shifted goal posts, endless diversions, and when all else fails, out right lies.

The last time I called upon Little Jimmy to point out specific instances of my supposed dishonesty, he was unable to do so. I expect no more of him this time.

People can say what they want about me. (They have; I presume that they will.)

But at least I am not gutless. I do not hide behind the pretense of ignoring someone so that I can avoid openly engaging that person and then snipe at that person from the sidelines.

[Andrew D]

Little Jimmy flat-out lies about what I posted.

No outrage.

He must be "in".

bigskygal defames defense attorneys en masse. She specifically calls them -- without limitation -- "perjury-suborning". (In contrast, I specifically ventured my opinion that "most prosecutors do not suborn perjury".)

No outrage.

She must be "in".

Cliques?

No! Not around here! Perish the thought!