Neighborhood Crime Watch

[dgs49]

If going apeshit in the course of a marital dispute qualifies one as having a "history of violence" then color the whole country "violent." Any bar fights? Any attacks on anyone in the general public? Any vandalism? It is clear that local police consider him a solid citizen. Nothing in his background to even suggest any racial animosity.

As stated above NOTHING in his background would even hint of the sort of actions that he is accused of.

There is nothing to explain why he would have shot the YBM in cold blood after having summoned the police to the neighborhood to check him out.

The story line is absolutely preposterous.

Everyone reading this thread knows exactly what happened, yet none of the libs is willing to admit it. And if the races had been reversed you would all be whining that Zimmerman has been convicted by the court of public opinion, without a trial.

[Scooter]

So when you claimed he had "no history of violence" were you lying or had you been duped?

And perhaps your wife has had to get restraining orders against you to protect herself when you have gone "apeshit", as you put it, but that isn't how the vast majority of people in relationships deal with each other. Nor do the majority of people get arrested for beating on police officers.

[Grim Reaper]

If going apeshit in the course of a marital dispute qualifies one as having a "history of violence" then color the whole country "violent." Any bar fights? Any attacks on anyone in the general public? Any vandalism? It is clear that local police consider him a solid citizen. Nothing in his background to even suggest any racial animosity.

Going apeshit to the point of getting a restraining order and beating up a cop are very good qualifiers for "history of violence". And you have an extremely dim view of the rest of the country if you think this is acceptable by anyone.

As stated above NOTHING in his background would even hint of the sort of actions that he is accused of.

Except, you know, the whole history of beating people up. Other than his violent tendencies, there's nothing that would hint at his violent tendencies. You have an amazing ability to ignore reality.

There is nothing to explain why he would have shot the YBM in cold blood after having summoned the police to the neighborhood to check him out.

The victim had a name. Try treating him with a modicum of respect and using that name instead of being a coward trying to change the narrative.

Everyone reading this thread knows exactly what happened, yet none of the libs is willing to admit it. And if the races had been reversed you would all be whining that Zimmerman has been convicted by the court of public opinion, without a trial.

Take your strawman down and try again with a real argument.

[Sean]

One must also conclude that Martin, a YBM from Miami with a spotted - though not apparently violent - behavioral history, behaved properly when sked to identify himself and was killed in an unprovoked attack.

Well, I would say that if he told this jumped-up little wannabe cop to go fuck himself, he behaved properly.

[Econoline]

Roshomon (Pretty good summary of all the conflicting accounts, from the NYTimes.)

There seems to be no question that: (1) Trayvon Martin was Black, George Zimmerman was not. (2) Trayvon Martin had iced tea and Skittles, George Zimmerman had a 9mm handgun. (3) Trayvon Martin had a school suspension record for nonviolent acts, George Zimmerman had a police arrest record for violent acts. (4) 7PM on a Sunday evening is not "the middle of the night." (5) The police asked George Zimmerman not to follow Trayvon Martin, and he did anyway. (6) Because of the actions of George Zimmerman, Trayvon Martin is dead and can't give his side of the story.

BTW, I don't think this phone call has been discussed at all here. I think it might shed some light on Trayvon's mindset at the time.

dgs - do you seriously believe that if the races in this incident were reversed--if a 28-year-old black man shot and killed an unarmed 17-year-old white/Hispanic boy--there would not have been an arrest made by the local police? If you really do believe that, then I guess our worldviews must be so different that I cant even see the planet you're living on from here.

[rubato]

THey bleed profusely initially but they clot rather quick (I know I've had a few) it is possible he was cleaned up.

Was there blood on his clothing? Did he have a bloody towel or some such which he used to clean up with?



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rubato

[Scooter]

BTW, I don't think this phone call has been discussed at all here. I think it might shed some light on Trayvon's mindset at the time.

That pretty much flips Zimmerman's version of the events on its ass.

And from the same article:

There are about 22,000 registered watch groups nationwide, and Zimmerman was not part of a registered group

So Zimmerman wasn't any sort of "Neighborhood Watch captain", he was just a punk with a gun who went looking for trouble, and found it.

[dgs49]

Great summary of the guy and the events leading up to the incident in question:

http://news.yahoo.com/george-zimmerman- ... 35114.html

For those who care about the real story, this should be required reading.

[dales]

Agreed.

Although, George Zimmerman will be offered up as the "sacrificial lamb" to quell the howling mobs.

[Long Run]

The article puts the actions in context, which is a common story that when there is inadequate policing, people take matters into their own hands. The tragedy here is that the victim was not a criminal and apparently was innocently minding his own business when the encounter spiraled to its sad end. If the victim had been one of the neighborhood thieves, there would be no story. I've seen a few cases over the years here where there were questionable shootings by home owners of low-level criminals. The owner/shooters are never indicted because many members of the grand jury likely relate to the frustration that the police simply don't investigate the vast majority of property crimes. If the police were allocated resources and had the willingness to do their jobs, the police could eliminate the crime and head off citizen enforcement of the law.

[dgs49]

The facts that are relevant to the actual criminal complaint will never be known with certainty. Did TM attack GZ from behind, as he claims? Or did GM goad him into a confrontation with the intention of shooting him?

But GZ's history gives no indication that he is a confrontational person, or a racist. He was doing something that his neighbors wanted and supported, and would probably have been better served carrying a stick or something, rather than a gun.

[BoSoxGal]

He should have stayed in his fucking car and let the REAL police to the job of confronting the 'suspicious' person.

Whether he is convicted or not, he took a life unjustly, because there was NO need to pursue and confront Martin; there were no exigent circumstances. Just Zimmerman's little woody to play cop, because he can't be one in real life.

HE'S the punk, not Martin. HE'S the one with an arrest record, not Martin. HE'S the one with a history of violence, not Martin.

HE'S alive, Martin's dead. No brainer.

[Grim Reaper]

But GZ's history gives no indication that he is a confrontational person, or a racist.

Other than you know, getting into a fight with his ex-girlfriend, and then trying to blame it on her. And then that whole "restraining order" thing happened too.

But yeah, other than his history of domestic violence, there's nothing that gives an indication of being a confrontational person.

[dgs49]

Mr Reaper person, you again demonstrate an inability to read. Anyone who actually read the linked article will observe that both alleged instances of "violence" were abberations and eminently questionable, while his lengthy history of being a good citizen is attested to by many, many who knew him.

You remain an idiot.

[Sue U]

both alleged instances of "violence" were abberations and eminently questionable, while his lengthy history of being a good citizen is attested to by many, many who knew him.

Yeah, I heard the same about John Gotti, and he wore nicer suits, too.

[Lord Jim]

[Grim Reaper]

Mr Reaper person, you again demonstrate an inability to read. Anyone who actually read the linked article will observe that both alleged instances of "violence" were abberations and eminently questionable, while his lengthy history of being a good citizen is attested to by many, many who knew him.

You remain an idiot.

Ah right, aberrations. The multiple events in his history don't count if you don't want them to. And Jeffrey Dahmer was a nice quiet guy to those who knew him too.

[rubato]

Mr Reaper person, you again demonstrate an inability to read. Anyone who actually read the linked article will observe that both alleged instances of "violence" were abberations and eminently questionable, while his lengthy history of being a good citizen is attested to by many, many who knew him.

You remain an idiot.

People who have a history of violence are not continually violent. You don't average out the hours of violence and the peaceful waking hours. And the number of actual instances is always much greater than the number of documented cases.




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rubato

[dgs49]

And the other idiot speaks up.

[dales]

And the other idiot speaks up.