Caught A Little Of the Demo Convention Yesterday...

[Guinevere]

The main one being the US!

Please take some of that overflow of vacation time and salary and come spend a month here. I bet you'd leave with a completely different impression of our amazing country.

[rubato]

What so-called "war" spawned the dueling slogans "Better Dead Than RED" and "Better Red Than Dead" in the 1950

Both slogans were used depending on which side one was on, I was on the side of freedom; which side was Scooter on?

The only side you inhabit is that of permanent slavery to complete ignorance and the inability to think.

You have made yourself a complete unwitting tool to anyone who knows what slogans you confuse for truth and the cynicism to manipulate you with them.

Being opposed to the spread of communist totalitarian governments does not differentiate either party. And being opposed to communist totalitarian governments does not correlate with being for 'freedom'.



yrs,
rubato

[Gob]

Hey Jim! This is the way to do it.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said that the US administration wants to normalise trade relations with Russia this month.

She said the government was working closely with the US Congress to get the necessary legislation passed.

Mrs Clinton was speaking ahead of the Asia-Pacific Economic Co-operation (Apec) summit in Vladivostok.

Russian President Vladimir Putin has urged a fight against protectionism to turn the global economy around.

And Chinese President Hu Jintao promised his country would try to help the world's economy by increasing the demand in China for imported goods.

Although Russia is now a member of the World Trade Organisation, there is still a piece of legislation that prevents US companies trading normally with Russia - the 1974 Jackson-Vanik amendment which, although suspended, remains in place.

In her speech to the Apec summit in the Russian port city, Mrs Clinton - who is standing in for President Barack Obama - said she welcomed Russia's commitment to playing a greater role in the Asia-Pacific region.

She added: "To make sure our companies get to compete here in Russia, we are working closely with the United States Congress to terminate the application to Jackson-Vanik to Russia and grant Russia permanent normalised trade relations.

"We hope that the Congress will act on this important piece of legislation this month."

However there are concerns in the US Congress about Moscow's support for Iran and Syria, as well as its broader human rights record, so the timing of a vote on the issue remains unclear.

Mr Putin, who is hosting the summit, expressed concern about the world economy, and particularly Europe's debt crisis.

"The priority goal is to fight protectionism in all its forms. It is important to build bridges not walls," he said.

[liberty]

And being opposed to communist totalitarian governments does not correlate with being for 'freedom' =
And being opposed to NAZI totalitarian governments does not correlate with being for freedom ?


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rubato

[Lord Jim]

I've generally given Mrs. Clinton relatively high marks for her performance as Secretary of State....

But not for this one....

There's no point in going forward with this, unless we can get some concrete improvement in the Russian regime's behavior in exchange...

The history of making unilateral concessions to these folks in the hopes that it would improve their behavior has uniformly been one of them taking the concession and then continuing on behaving exactly as they have.

Or actually increasing their bellicosity and bullying, and making further demands. (They view unilateral concessions as a sign of weakness to be exploited; not as a show of good faith to be reciprocated.)

[Lord Jim]

And being opposed to NAZI totalitarian governments does not correlate with being for freedom ?

It sure doesn't....

The Russians lost 30 million people and marched all the way to Berlin opposing the number one Nazi totalitarian government of all time, and no one would ever mistake Joe Stalin for a lover of freedom....

[liberty]

I find it interesting that liberals are starting to admit that the worker paradise was not such a paradise after all. (I remember when the truth about Pol Pot was rejected as propaganda when it first came out). See in article below: "murdered more than 100 million people in the past century".



http://articles.cnn.com/2012-04-15/opin ... PM:OPINION

Where's the outrage over Republican's 'communist' claim?
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Share this on:Facebook Twitter Digg delicious reddit MySpace StumbleUpon LinkedIn April 15, 2012|By John Avlon, CNN Contributor

U.S. Rep. Allen West (center, at a 2011 news conference about payroll taxes) recently said he believes up to 81 Democrats in the U.S. House are communists."I have here in my hand a list of 205 communists ..."

The ghost of Joe McCarthy's ulcerous accusations hung over a disturbingly casual comment this past week by U.S. Rep. Allen West, R-Florida.

When asked by a constituent at a town hall, "What percentage of the American legislature do you think are card-carrying Marxists?"

"That's a fair question," West replied. "I believe there's about 78 to 81 members of the Democratic Party that are members of the Communist Party."


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Keep in mind that this is the man Sarah Palin recently recommended be Mitt Romney's vice presidential nominee.

And not only did West not apologize -- or receive significant criticism from his fellow Republicans -- his revealing response was to raise funds off it.

The number West picked out was apparently based on the number of congressmen affiliated with the Congressional Progressive Caucus. This is an organization of the most liberal members of Congress, but to call them communists is a slander splashed with blood.

Communists, of course, murdered more than 100 million people in the past century, if you add up the rough total of butchery by Vladimir Lenin (Soviet Union), Joseph Stalin (Soviet Union), Mao Zedong (China) and Pol Pot (Cambodia). This is the reason people were understandably offended at Miami Manager Ozzie Guillen's recent comments professing admiration for Cuban Communist dictator Fidel Castro.

But there were no widespread protests or requests for censure in West's case. Instead it was greeted as an almost unremarkable part of the new normal.

A military man of West's rank understands the magnitude of his misstatement. So I'm assuming that he was sincere in the accusation.

To equate liberals in Congress with communists is like equating conservatives in Congress with fascists -- something only the most brain-dead Occupy protester would attempt.

And just for a moment imagine if a liberal member of Congress made an equal and opposite accusation, saying that all the members of the tea party caucus were Nazis. It would be rightly greeted with wall-to-wall outrage.

But the asymmetric polarization of our politics has made such accusations within the easy reach of politically successful ideologues at unguarded moments.

West's comments were simply extensions of U.S. Rep. Michele Bachmann's infamous statement in 2008 about how then-candidate Barack Obama -- and many Democratic members of Congress -- held "anti-American views."

[Scooter]

I find it interesting that liberals are starting to admit that the worker paradise was not such a paradise after all.

"Starting to admit"? When did "liberals" ever claim that it was?

I remember when the truth about Pol Pot was rejected as propaganda when it first came out

More horseshit fermented in that vacuum between your ears.

[liberty]

I find it interesting that liberals are starting to admit that the worker paradise was not such a paradise after all.

"Starting to admit"? When did "liberals" ever claim that it was?

1960s and 70s for sure.

I remember when the truth about Pol Pot was rejected as propaganda when it first came out

More horseshit fermented in that vacuum between your ears.

[Scooter]

Care to provide links to some actual quotes?

Didn't think so.

But by all means, keep on demonstrating what a moron you are.

[rubato]

I find it interesting that liberals are starting to admit that the worker paradise was not such a paradise after all.

"Starting to admit"? When did "liberals" ever claim that it was?

1960s and 70s for sure.

I remember when the truth about Pol Pot was rejected as propaganda when it first came out

More horseshit fermented in that vacuum between your ears.

Pure horseshit.

Bertrand Russell visited the Soviet Union in the 1920s and wrote very critically about the lack of human rights in "The Practice and Theory of Bolshevism". He even suggested, before the Soviets developed a nuclear weapon, that the US should use its sole ownership of nukes to eliminate the Soviet union as a military threat.

You really blither about what other people think. Pure gas. You don't have a clue.


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rubato

[Econoline]

Many other noted liberals, leftists and socialists expressed similar views; one of the most notable was Eric Blair, a.k.a. George Orwell, who wrote in 1941, "One could not have a better example of the moral and emotional shallowness of our time, than the fact that we are now all more or less proStalin. This disgusting murderer is temporarily on our side, and so the purges, etc., are suddenly forgotten." (Later on, after the war, he also wrote a couple of fictional book-length critiques of the soviet system which even you, liberty, have probably heard of.)

P.S. As for the sixties...ever hear the lyrics "But if you go carrying pictures of chairman Mao/You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow"?

[Sean]

Caught A Little Of the Demo Convention Yesterday...

I think I'll wait for the full-version to be released.

[liberty]

Why didn’t someone tell me that Ann Coulter wrote this book? If I get a chance I may check it out to see if it coincides with my recollections. I admit that I don’t have a perfect memory and that it is somewhat selective in ways that I don’t understand, but what I remember is what I remember. For example I remember how Reagan was attacked by liberals when he called the Soviet Union an evil empire. It was an evil empire the ultimate in thugs and bullies

Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on ...
McCarthyism|Quotes by the...|References and...|External linksTreason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism is a 2003 book by Ann Coulter. Three weeks after its release more than 500,000 copies were sold.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Search?search=Treason%3A%20Liberal... - Cached.



And here is another: http://www.amazon.com/Useful-Idiots-Lib ... 0060579412

Book Description
Publication Date: February 3, 2004
Meet the "Useful Idiots" Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, Madeleine Albright, Katie Couric, Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen, and all the other liberals who were -- and are -- always willing to blame America first and defend its enemies as simply "misunderstood."

Now that the Cold War has been won, these liberals, amazingly, are proud to claim credit for the victory -- conveniently forgetting their apologies for the Communists and their spluttering attacks on Cold Warriors like Ronald Reagan.But nationally syndicated columnist Mona Charen isn't about to let them rewrite history. From politicians and professors to entertainers and journalists, she exposes the useful idiots for all the world to see in this arresting New York Times bestseller.

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[Scooter]

So you still have nothing to back up the fairy tales you've been spinning here?

Why am I not surprised?

[liberty]

Why didn’t someone tell me that Ann Coulter wrote this book? If I get a chance I may check it out to see if it coincides with my recollections. I admit that I don’t have a perfect memory and that it is somewhat selective in ways that I don’t understand, but what I remember is what I remember. For example I remember how Reagan was attacked by liberals when he called the Soviet Union an evil empire. It was an evil empire the ultimate in thugs and bullies

Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on ...
McCarthyism|Quotes by the...|References and...|External linksTreason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism is a 2003 book by Ann Coulter. Three weeks after its release more than 500,000 copies were sold.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/​Search?search=Treason%3A%20Liberal... - Cached.



And here is another: http://www.amazon.com/Useful-Idiots-Lib ... 0060579412

Book Description
Publication Date: February 3, 2004
Meet the "Useful Idiots" Al Gore, Ted Kennedy, Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, Madeleine Albright, Katie Couric, Jane Fonda, Martin Sheen, and all the other liberals who were -- and are -- always willing to blame America first and defend its enemies as simply "misunderstood."

Now that the Cold War has been won, these liberals, amazingly, are proud to claim credit for the victory -- conveniently forgetting their apologies for the Communists and their spluttering attacks on Cold Warriors like Ronald Reagan.But nationally syndicated columnist Mona Charen isn't about to let them rewrite history. From politicians and professors to entertainers and journalists, she exposes the useful idiots for all the world to see in this arresting New York Times bestseller.

Show More
Show Less

[Scooter]

Care to provide links to some actual quotes?

Didn't think so.

But by all means, keep on demonstrating what a moron you are.

[Guinevere]

Uh, Lib, if you're relying on Ann Coulter for facts, you better pack it in now.

[liberty]

Many other noted liberals, leftists and socialists expressed similar views; one of the most notable was Eric Blair, a.k.a. George Orwell, who wrote in 1941, "One could not have a better example of the moral and emotional shallowness of our time, than the fact that we are now all more or less proStalin. This disgusting murderer is temporarily on our side, and so the purges, etc., are suddenly forgotten." (Later on, after the war, he also wrote a couple of fictional book-length critiques of the soviet system which even you, liberty, have probably heard of.)I have heard of both books and have read both several times when I was younger. Animal Farm, I bought and sent to my grandchildren. Also, I know that Orwell was liberal and a Socialist. There were quite a few that opposed the Soviet Union before Vietnam, but after the war they became a small minority. Also I believe that the communist hated non Marxist socialist more than capitalist; they consider them deviants and traitors to the struggle."

[Scooter]

Care to provide links to SOME ACTUAL QUOTES?

Didn't think so.

But by all means, keep on demonstrating what a moron you are.