Well that's a good start; no guns for you!

[MajGenl.Meade]

In the midst of all this gloom, it's good to know that the Miss Teen USA 2007 contestant from South Carolina got a job



An interesting Q&A

[Lord Jim]

[Guinevere]

[MajGenl.Meade]

It is a sad anniversary.

[rubato]

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And from what I recall, international travel is not always seen a s a fundamental right; I recall when Linus Pauling was denied a passport for purely political purposes (he has won a Nobel peace prize for his work in the area of nuclear test bans and the government refused to issue him a (or cancelled his) passport to allow him to go pick it up.

I don't believe that is true. Sakharov was prevented by the Russians from going to Norway but only the Republicans in America would stoop to such a thing and they we're powerful enough to stop Pauling.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/ ... tance.html

Acceptance Speech

Linus Pauling held his Acceptance Speech at the Auditorium of the University of Oslo, 10 December 1963. (The Nobel Peace Prize was reserved in 1962, but awarded the next year.) This video clip shows the last minutes of the speech.
See a Video of the Event

He was persecuted by the Republicans for his political work just as scientists are now persecuted for telling the truth about global climate change.


yrs,
rubato

[Big RR]

rubato--I checked and you are partly correct; his denial of a passport was in the early 50s around the time he received the nobel Prize in chemistry, and it was for his activity in the nuclear test ban arena, something he later did receive the peace prize for. He did eventually get his passport, but it took a good amount of time.

[BoSoxGal]

Lovely post, Guin.

[rubato]

rubato--I checked and you are partly correct; his denial of a passport was in the early 50s around the time he received the nobel Prize in chemistry, and it was for his activity in the nuclear test ban arena, something he later did receive the peace prize for. He did eventually get his passport, but it took a good amount of time.

No, I'm completely correct. He was not prevented from travelling to either Nobel ceremony. There's video.

http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/ ... video.html


He was denied a passport renewal in 1951 for political reasons but they lacked the stones to keep him from the Nobel ceremonies.


yrs,
rubato

[Big RR]

If that was your point, then you were correct.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Simple misunderstanding, gentlemen.

rubato wrote:

I don't believe that is true. Sakharov was prevented by the Russians from going to Norway but only the Republicans in America would stoop to such a thing and they we're powerful enough to stop Pauling.

...and I think there was a finger slip. He typed "we're" when he was meaning to type "weren't"

It does look like he was saying they were powerful enough to stop Pauling. I may be wrong

[rubato]

Simple misunderstanding, gentlemen.

rubato wrote:

I don't believe that is true. Sakharov was prevented by the Russians from going to Norway but only the Republicans in America would stoop to such a thing and they we're powerful enough to stop Pauling.

...and I think there was a finger slip. He typed "we're" when he was meaning to type "weren't"

It does look like he was saying they were powerful enough to stop Pauling. I may be wrong

weren't was correct. bad typing combined with worsening eyesight.

yrs,
rubato

[dales]

.... bad typing combined with worsening eyesight.

yrs,
rubato

I'm sorry to hear that. rube.

You might want to make an appointment with a local optometrist.

Glad I could be of help!

[Guinevere]

The right at issue here isn't the right to travel on a commercial airliner. While the right to interstate travel is a fundamental right, no citizen is guaranteed the right to a seat on an airplane on domestic flights. However, the right to international travel, because there is no real other alternative then via airplane, is constrained when someone is placed on the no-fly list. That constraint is a sufficient deprivation of a liberty interest to require fifth amendment due process. The no-fly list implicates fundamental due process/Fifth Amendment rights because no one knows they're on the list until they are barred from flying, and there is no opportunity to contest your inclusion on the list even in some type of post deprivation hearing.

Guin--while I personally agree with your analysis, so far as I know there have been no substantial changes to the no fly law to give those on the list anything resembling due process; I haven't done a search, but are there appeals still standing or has the government just ignored the concerns?

And from what I recall, international travel is not always seen a s a fundamental right; I recall when Linus Pauling was denied a passport for purely political purposes (he has won a Nobel peace prize for his work in the area of nuclear test bans and the government refused to issue him a (or cancelled his) passport to allow him to go pick it up.

Ongoing litigation on the issue brought by the ACLU (and the government's actions in response) is summarized here: https://www.aclu.org/cases/latif-et-al- ... o-fly-list