Enough to make you sick

[oldr_n_wsr]

That's really true, it's scare you into accepting their beliefs/version of the story unquestioningly. When questions are raised the answer is, how stupid can you be? Don't you see it plainly?

And/or the ruler across the knuckles.

[loCAtek]

Well, for some reason education was withheld before; it would be in their best interests to know now.

Can't deny overindulgence leads to obesity; that's a fact, not a belief.

[Big RR]

And that was hidden from people? People really didn't know that overeating led to obesity and the attendant consequences? I find that hard to believe. People may have chosen to ignore it, but it was hardly a secret.

[oldr_n_wsr]

People may have chosen to ignore it, but it was hardly a secret.

Smoking and drinking included but we knew that

[loCAtek]

And that was hidden from people? People really didn't know that overeating led to obesity and the attendant consequences? I find that hard to believe. People may have chosen to ignore it, but it was hardly a secret.

Hidden no, just not obvious. I have an overweight friend who's shocked! Shocked, I tell you! That she's gained so much weight so fast, when she "really doesn't eat very much." I had to remind her that she has a sweet tooth, and a candy bar may not seem like much, but it packs a lot of calories. Her drinks with meals are usually sodas too. A same sized drink of water would be much less fattening. ...but she didn't know, or didn't want to know that.

[Big RR]

but she didn't know, or didn't want to know that.

I vote for the latter.

[rubato]

The statement "overeating will make you obese" is a tautology, it is not an empirical statement and does not constitute a useful understanding and one cannot say that having told this to someone that they are fully equipped to maintain a healthy body weight.

The information which is needed is "if you eat these items in these amounts (with specific quantities) in the course of a day and then repeat that day after day you will gain/lose weight". And that kind of specific practical information can be transmitted by better public education.

You can also have your basal metabolic rate measured for a small fee ($40 at Kaiser-Permanente) which can help to design a diet specifically for yourself. (and the rest of us don't have to listen to the horseshit 'I have a low metabolic rate' 'I have a high metabolic rate' statements)

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[rubato]

BTB fat people generally have a higher metabolic rate because you have to burn calories to keep all that extra tissue alive. One consequence of weight loss is that you burn fewer calories even if you don't lose lean muscle mass.

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