Revenge of the steerage class?

[Bicycle Bill]

It is now 0530 GMT on 6/22/2023.  Based on reports of the amount of breathable air onboard when they submerged, this is now a recovery operation rather than a rescue.
Unless the two biggest people onboard killed off the other three so they could stretch out the oxygen supply.......

-"BB"-

[Big RR]

I'm not certain, but if they were on the surface (whcih is quite possible), does anyone know if the sub contains a snorkel or other extended air intake to bring in fresh air? It is my understanding that they cannot open the hatches without external aid (not sure why it was made this way, but given the size, perhaps it makes sense) , but I would think they'd have soem ways of getting external air in when surfaced, as it might take the support craft some time to locate them. If I recall correctly the NASA, spacecraft has such snorkels/valves for use at splashdown.

[MajGenl.Meade]

[BoSoxGal]

They located a debris field near Titanic which includes the frame and rear hatch of the Titan submersible. I’m glad to know they went the rapid depressurization route and not the long slow terrifying suffocation route.

[BoSoxGal]

I just read online that the 19 year old on board wasn’t keen to go and expressed serious fears to other family members - but he felt incapable of defying his father’s wish that they go have the experience together.

One of the oldest themes in human life, the stealing of a child’s life by its allegedly loving parent.

[Bicycle Bill]

How long before someone makes a movie about this ... with the requisite inclusive cast that includes one POC, one Asian, and a transgender female?   I'm sure they can do it — just include a disclaimer that the film is "based on a true event" rather than an accurate depiction of said event.   I mean, it worked for James Cameron when he created the love story between a rich bitch and a guy from Wisconsin who won his passage ticket in a poker game in the hit movie of the original sinking.

-"BB"-

[MajGenl.Meade]

Auntie Beeb blunders in . . .

[Joe Guy]

How long before someone makes a movie about this ... with the requisite inclusive cast that includes one POC, one Asian, and a transgender female?   I'm sure they can do it — just include a disclaimer that the film is "based on a true event" rather than an accurate depiction of said event. ...

I was thinking the same thing. The film will have flashbacks of each of their lives. The black man fighting for reparations. The Asian swimming to the U.S. from Hong Kong. The transgender when she realized her true pronoun at 3 years old....

[Bicycle Bill]

On the plus side, any other submersible operator offering trips to the seabed to view the remains of the Titanic will now be able to let them see TWO wrecks for the price of one.
I also have seen a couple of teaser articles which come to my inbox from National Geographic which claim that at least one of the ROVs that were involved in the search was also lost.

-"BB"-

[BoSoxGal]

What do sharks near the Titanic have for lunch?

























Five Guys

[BoSoxGal]

Too soon?

I stole it from another board, so I guess I have darkling kindred spirits out there.

[BoSoxGal]

[Big RR]

BSG--

Ijust read online that the 19 year old on board wasn’t keen to go and expressed serious fears to other family members - but he felt incapable of defying his father’s wish that they go have the experience together.

One of the oldest themes in human life, the stealing of a child’s life by its allegedly loving parent.
For me, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring.
~ Carl Sagan
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I'm not sure how Sagan's comment applies here, but IMHO, one of the most important things a parent can do, even for an adult child, it to encourage a child to face their fears and overcome them, making them stronger in the longrun, Sure, he didn't have to go on this sub ride (and it clearly had its rsisks), but the outcome had nothing to do with his hesitancy. There are many things in life we don't have to do, but being controlled by a fear of what could happen, is not the way to live IMHO; we have to face those fears to overcome them and grow as human beings, and I do believe parents should encourage that. Of course, should you examine the fear and still not choose to do the activity, the facing and analyzing the fear still encourages growth; e.g. choosing not to fly for whatever reason is certainly preferable from just being paralyzed by a fear fo getting on the plane. Indeed, I think, as Sagan opines, it is far better to grasp the Universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring, whether that irrational fear is imposed by a parent, or more homegrown.

ETA: and before someone says "So you should encourage kids to jump off cliffs or light themselves on fire to face there fears" the answer is "Of course not". But the deliberation I mentioned about balacing the risks and the benefits is something important to learn, as it permits you to avoid being controlled by the fear. So, in the instant case, I'd prefer my child to think it through and decide the risk isn't worth it to him or her, than to be paralyzed by a thought of what could happen. I kind of liken it to skiing; I still ski every year and try to push myself in the slopes I attempt; but there are some slopes I decide not to try for any number of reasons after I think it through, full well understanding that some, even my adut children, may assess the balance or risk differently and reach a different conclusion.


Too soon?

Maybe--but I am amazed at how quickly these jokes arise. Itis a way of dealing with the unimaginable.

[Sue U]

Too soon?

I stole it from another board, so I guess I have darkling kindred spirits out there.

Too soon?

Maybe--but I am amazed at how quickly these jokes arise. Itis a way of dealing with the unimaginable.

These kinds of jokes were de rigeur in newsrooms when I worked in newspapers and were flying within minutes of any horrific event. (The Chernobyl and Challenger disasters were particularly prolific.) Partly a coping mechanism, partly the fact that we were all twisted fucks.

[Big RR]

Can't argue with either of those points, especially the latter.

[Joe Guy]

ETA: and before someone says "So you should encourage kids to jump off cliffs or light themselves on fire to face there fears" the answer is "Of course not". But the deliberation I mentioned about balacing the risks and the benefits is something important to learn, as it permits you to avoid being controlled by the fear. So, in the instant case, I'd prefer my child to think it through and decide the risk isn't worth it to him or her, than to be paralyzed by a thought of what could happen. I kind of liken it to skiing; I still ski every year and try to push myself in the slopes I attempt; but there are some slopes I decide not to try for any number of reasons after I think it through, full well understanding that some, even my adut children, may assess the balance or risk differently and reach a different conclusion.

In this case the fear of not pleasing his father by appearing weak was stronger than the fear of taking the sub. The child faced the wrong fear.

[BoSoxGal]

Read this on another board and was comforted to know that the end was truly instantaneous for these guys.

“A former submarine expert explained what this might be like. Dave Corley, a retired Navy Captain, said: "When a submarine hull collapses, it moves inward at about 1,500 miles per hour - that's 2,200 feet per second.

"A modern nuclear submarine's hull radius is about 20 feet. So the time required for complete collapse is 20 / 2,200 seconds = about 1 millisecond. A human brain responds instinctually to the stimulus at about 25 milliseconds. Human rational response is at best 150 milliseconds.

"The air inside a sub has a fairly high concentration of hydrocarbon vapors. When the hull collapses it behaves like a very large piston on a very large Diesel engine. The air auto-ignites and an explosion follows the initial rapid implosion Sounds gruesome but as a submariner I always wished for a quick hull-collapse death over a lengthy one like some of the crew on Kursk endured."

John Jones, a former member of the US Navy Submarine Force, added: "Implosion events occur within milliseconds, far too quickly for the human brain to comprehend."”

https://www.msn.com/en-us...r-AA1cU9AL

[ex-khobar Andy]

Closer to 10 milliseconds not 1 if the 1500 mph is correct but still not enough for the brain to comprehend. Unless of course there was some crack started to develop perhaps in the window which gave a warning of imminent failure. In which case they would have immediately ditched the weights hoping to rise ASAP to reduce pressure. Apparently there was some sort of acoustic device embedded in the carbon fiber hull to give an aural warning of failure.

He's a submariner, I'm not. But I hugely doubt that diesel vapor story. The Titan was equipped with battery driven electric motors and as far as I know there was no diesel augmentation. Even in a diesel submarine the concentration is not going to get that high. Think about it - the exhaust from a Diesel engine after combustion will kill you if you just breathe it. No way that the air inside a diesel sub will approach combustion concentration.

[Econoline]

[ex-khobar Andy]

Interesting YouTube video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jJ_SSU-ocU of Bob Ballard, who found the Titanic. He says that they dropped their weights - I don't know if he is surmising or if he has evidence that the rest of us do not. But if they dropped their weights it must have been in response to something. We know that with this vehicle, being out of communication with the mother ship is not unusual so I doubt that simply losing comms was the reason for dropping the weights. So it must have been some other reason and the likeliest to me is that they had some warning that things were not right and they needed to surface ASAP.