Very punny (had to look stuff up, no up cassocks though)...MajGenl.Meade wrote:I'm curia to see if they pick someone of whom they are 100% sure there's no cassock-lifting in the background.
Odds on the next pope?
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Sometimes it seems as though one has to cross the line just to figger out where it is
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“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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I would have suggested pot smoke. But I'm not sure for which choice ...Econoline wrote:I had to look twice to make sure that post didn't come from rubato.oldr_n_wsr wrote:White smoke, black smoke. Why can't we get blue or red smoke?
Keep smokin' em spliffs mon!
yrs,
rubato
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New pope elected...crowd waiting for announcement.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
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Apparently, the cardinal conclave proclaimed it picked a pope pretty promptly from the procession of potential papal prospects.
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P.S. The present precipitation at St Peters has possibly partially postponed the anticipated public proclamation.
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Pope Francis.
Right the whole bloody chimney watching can bore off now.
Right the whole bloody chimney watching can bore off now.
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He is the child of Italian immigrants, so hardly the bold choice suggested by selecting a Latin American pope.
They chose someone with no experience in the Curia, meaning they picked someone lacking the knowledge to shepherd any serious reforms in administration.
And obviously no one in his position would be supportive of same-sex marriage, but referring to Argentina's recent legalization of SSM as the "work of Satan" and claiming that adoption by same-sex couples constitutes "discrimination against children" makes him sound like more than a bit of a loon.
Oh yeah, and he looks almost as frail now as Benedict did in the last years of his reign.
They chose someone with no experience in the Curia, meaning they picked someone lacking the knowledge to shepherd any serious reforms in administration.
And obviously no one in his position would be supportive of same-sex marriage, but referring to Argentina's recent legalization of SSM as the "work of Satan" and claiming that adoption by same-sex couples constitutes "discrimination against children" makes him sound like more than a bit of a loon.
Oh yeah, and he looks almost as frail now as Benedict did in the last years of his reign.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
PAPA FRANK
The winner of "The Cardinals Choice Award." A man of the people.
“In a world whose absurdity appears to be so impenetrable, we simply must reach a greater degree of understanding among us, a greater sincerity.”
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Well I think it's great!
I didn't know that Jim Bowen was even a Catholic...
I didn't know that Jim Bowen was even a Catholic...
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?
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Keep out of the black and in the red, nothing in this game for 2 in a bed.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
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Did the losing Cardinals get BFH?
Why is it that when Miley Cyrus gets naked and licks a hammer it's 'art' and 'edgy' but when I do it I'm 'drunk' and 'banned from the hardware store'?
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A few words about our new Pope...
I knew next to nothing about this guy before his selection...
I believe I had read his name and heard him mentioned early on in the Papal speculation, (in the last couple of days leading up to his selection, all the focus was on Cardinal Scola and Cardinal O'Malley...)
I thought he looked very animated, engaged, and "warm" when he first appeared on the balcony...I thought he looked like a man in his early sixties, rather than a man in his mid 70's....
Most of the liberal Catholics I know are very pleased with his selection; he has a long standing reputation as someone who is very "hands on" with the poor, and this is obviously going to be a very important element of his Papacy...
By selecting the name "Francis", he signaled two things....
One, that he was prepared to be his own man, and prepared to break with tradition (since no other Pope, in 1700 years, had ever been named Francis)
And two, by selecting the name of St. Francis, the patron saint of the poor and a man known for his humility, he was sending another message; That he would not be a remote figure, but rather a Holy Father who "lives in the world"...
Which brings me to my primary criticism of his conduct of the Papacy to date...
I understand what he's trying to do when he does things like :
That's all to the good; as an American Catholic, I am delighted to see a Pope who wants to convey the message that he will be a part of the world, and not some detached figure on a mountain top...
Tati thought that was really cool when she saw the news story about him picking up his luggage..."A Pope who acts like a normal person..."
And I'm sure that this sort of symbolism will help to invigorate The Church, and that again is all to the good...
And Francis I conveying that his Papacy will be concerned with helping "the least among us" is also all to the good...
I applaud him on all of those points...
However...
We'll see how this plays out, but I am somewhat concerned that the enormity of the responsibility that he now bears may not fully have sunk in to him....
He is no longer a Jesuit Priest toiling away in obscurity in Buenos Aires, who can ride the bus to work, and choose to eschew an estate to live in a humble apartment in a lower middle class part of town.....
He is now the heir to The Fisherman, Peter The Rock.....
Christ's Vicar On Earth, the head of a Church with 1.2 billion members, all across the globe....
The Holy See cannot take the bus to work....
Not just because it would undignified, but because it would be unsafe....
The fact of the matter is, there are thousands of people in the world (particularly among the Islamo-fascists, who believe the Pope to be Evil Incarnate) who would consider it to be a major feather in their cap if they could off a Pope...
I understand Francis' desire to "connect" with regular folks, but I really hope that doesn't lead him to be reckless about his own personal safety...
We've already had one Pope shot; we don't need to have that again...
Francis needs to have a strong appreciation for his own personal well being, not for himself, but for the good of The Church...
I hope he understands that...
I knew next to nothing about this guy before his selection...
I believe I had read his name and heard him mentioned early on in the Papal speculation, (in the last couple of days leading up to his selection, all the focus was on Cardinal Scola and Cardinal O'Malley...)
I completely disagree with that...he looks almost as frail now as Benedict did in the last years of his reign.
I thought he looked very animated, engaged, and "warm" when he first appeared on the balcony...I thought he looked like a man in his early sixties, rather than a man in his mid 70's....
That's not necessarily a bad thing; if he has sufficient self confidence, (and he doesn't seem to be lacking in that department; more about that in a moment...) then he can be act as a clean broom with no personal relationships with anyone in the Vatican bureaucracy, and give it a much needed cleaning out...They chose someone with no experience in the Curia
Most of the liberal Catholics I know are very pleased with his selection; he has a long standing reputation as someone who is very "hands on" with the poor, and this is obviously going to be a very important element of his Papacy...
By selecting the name "Francis", he signaled two things....
One, that he was prepared to be his own man, and prepared to break with tradition (since no other Pope, in 1700 years, had ever been named Francis)
And two, by selecting the name of St. Francis, the patron saint of the poor and a man known for his humility, he was sending another message; That he would not be a remote figure, but rather a Holy Father who "lives in the world"...
Which brings me to my primary criticism of his conduct of the Papacy to date...
I understand what he's trying to do when he does things like :
And he rode over to the hotel in a bus with his former fellow Cardinals...
Pope Francis ushers in new style of papacy: picks up luggage, thanks hotel staff, pays bill
Published March 14, 2013
Associated Press
VATICAN CITY – On his first day as shepherd of the world's 1.2 billion Catholics, Pope Francis picked up his luggage at a Vatican hotel, personally thanked each member of the staff and even paid his own bill. Then, at his first Mass, he delivered a short, unscripted homily — in Italian, not the Latin of his predecessor — holding the cardinals who elected him responsible for keeping the church strong.
Pope for barely 12 hours, Francis brushed off years of tradition and formality Thursday with a remarkable break in style that sent a clear message that his papacy is poised to reject many of the trappings enjoyed by now-retired Benedict XVI.
That was hardly out of character for Francis. For years, as Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, the Argentine pastor took the bus to work kissed the feet of AIDS patients and prayed with former prostitutes, eschewing the luxurious residence that would have been his due as archbishop of Buenos Aires.
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2013/03/14 ... z2NjJ6U6u3
That's all to the good; as an American Catholic, I am delighted to see a Pope who wants to convey the message that he will be a part of the world, and not some detached figure on a mountain top...
Tati thought that was really cool when she saw the news story about him picking up his luggage..."A Pope who acts like a normal person..."
And I'm sure that this sort of symbolism will help to invigorate The Church, and that again is all to the good...
And Francis I conveying that his Papacy will be concerned with helping "the least among us" is also all to the good...
I applaud him on all of those points...
However...
We'll see how this plays out, but I am somewhat concerned that the enormity of the responsibility that he now bears may not fully have sunk in to him....
He is no longer a Jesuit Priest toiling away in obscurity in Buenos Aires, who can ride the bus to work, and choose to eschew an estate to live in a humble apartment in a lower middle class part of town.....
He is now the heir to The Fisherman, Peter The Rock.....
Christ's Vicar On Earth, the head of a Church with 1.2 billion members, all across the globe....
The Holy See cannot take the bus to work....
Not just because it would undignified, but because it would be unsafe....
The fact of the matter is, there are thousands of people in the world (particularly among the Islamo-fascists, who believe the Pope to be Evil Incarnate) who would consider it to be a major feather in their cap if they could off a Pope...
I understand Francis' desire to "connect" with regular folks, but I really hope that doesn't lead him to be reckless about his own personal safety...
We've already had one Pope shot; we don't need to have that again...
Francis needs to have a strong appreciation for his own personal well being, not for himself, but for the good of The Church...
I hope he understands that...
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I SEE PAPA FRANK...
... as an interim pope. At seventy-six years old and with one lung I suspect some excess stress is sure to come his way and wreak havoc upon him, sooner than later. I'm thinking this is why he got the nod from his cronies in fairly quick order. Let's face it, Frank doesn't appear to be the most robust thurible swinger in the chapel. Pope John Paul I comes to mind. Five or six years and he's out. The cardinals now have a little breathing room to pick a younger player who will best tow their neo-medieval, company line. Hey, but what do I know.
Procedamus in pace, mea peeps.
Procedamus in pace, mea peeps.
“In a world whose absurdity appears to be so impenetrable, we simply must reach a greater degree of understanding among us, a greater sincerity.”
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Are you saying Francis is an iPope?RayThom wrote:... as an interim pope. ...
Does he think different?
I suppose we will all learn his operating system eventually.
I pray that he will update the catholic program and install anti-abuseware.
Amen...
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He lived in a small apartment in Buenos Aires, eschewing an estate he could have lived in....
Which I think is great; as an American Catholic, I think it's fantastic that we have a Pontiff who has lived so close to a normal life prior to his elevation; I really hope he brings that experience with him to the task...
But now he's The Pope...
I also really hope that he doesn't think that he could choose not to live in The Vatican, and instead tries to find himself some little condo in some middle class neighborhood of Rome to be his crib....
That would not be a good thing....
Which I think is great; as an American Catholic, I think it's fantastic that we have a Pontiff who has lived so close to a normal life prior to his elevation; I really hope he brings that experience with him to the task...
But now he's The Pope...
I also really hope that he doesn't think that he could choose not to live in The Vatican, and instead tries to find himself some little condo in some middle class neighborhood of Rome to be his crib....
That would not be a good thing....
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This is the sort of thing that's starting to concern me...
And what are the security arrangements there?
I have really mixed feelings about this man...
On the one hand, there are many indications that he is precisely the sort of Pontiff needed to lead The Church at this time...(Independent, "in the world", not bound by tradition, and self confident enough to take on the corrupt Vatican bureaucracy...Francis isn't acting the way he is because he's trying to score PR points; this is the way he's operated for decades, since long before he was in the spotlight...)
Of course none of that is going to matter if he is so reckless about his safety that he gets himself killed...
And the more "likeable" and "charismatic" he makes himself as a leading figure in Christendom, the more he makes himself a high priority target for those who would like nothing better than to take out a leading figure of Christendom....
Particularly if he makes himself a soft target by being casual about his personal security...
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-575 ... -in-hotel/Pope's house ready, but Francis opts to stay in hotel
The renovations on the papal apartment are finished, but Pope Francis has decided to stay put in the Vatican hotel for the time being.
The Vatican said Francis, who has long shunned fancy digs, told staff and guests of the Domus Sanctae Martae on Tuesday that he had no plans to move out any time soon. The occasion was the 7 a.m. Mass that Francis has celebrated each morning in the hotel chapel since his election March 13.
Francis has invited groups of guests to the daily Mass, including Vatican gardeners, street-sweepers, hotel workers and staff of the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano.
Vatican spokesman the Rev. Federico Lombardi says it's not clear how long the "experiment" of hotel living will last but that Francis has at least moved into the papal suite.
And what are the security arrangements there?
I have really mixed feelings about this man...
On the one hand, there are many indications that he is precisely the sort of Pontiff needed to lead The Church at this time...(Independent, "in the world", not bound by tradition, and self confident enough to take on the corrupt Vatican bureaucracy...Francis isn't acting the way he is because he's trying to score PR points; this is the way he's operated for decades, since long before he was in the spotlight...)
Of course none of that is going to matter if he is so reckless about his safety that he gets himself killed...
And the more "likeable" and "charismatic" he makes himself as a leading figure in Christendom, the more he makes himself a high priority target for those who would like nothing better than to take out a leading figure of Christendom....
Particularly if he makes himself a soft target by being casual about his personal security...
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It's the sort of lifestyle that takes getting used to, particularly for someone like him...give him time.
"The dildo of consequence rarely comes lubed." -- Eileen Rose
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
"Colonialism is not 'winning' - it's an unsustainable model. Like your hairline." -- Candace Linklater
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I think this guy has the potential to be the best thing that has happened to The Church since the early years of John Paul II...
And I don't want to lose him to an assassin's bullet or a suicide vest...
And I don't want to lose him to an assassin's bullet or a suicide vest...