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Is this yet another Trumpian lie or exaggeration?
Absotively...

He had nothing to do with the National Cathedral service, and he had nothing to do with the approval to lie in state at the Capitol...(that would be the decision of the Speaker of the House and the Senate Majority Leader)

However, anything that involved the military (the transport, the honor guards, fly overs, etc..) including the interment at the Naval Academy...yes McCain was more than qualified for all of these, but as the Commander-In-Chief of the military, Trump could have vetoed any or all of them.

Being the kind of vile, petty dirtbag that he is, I suspect he probably would have liked to have done exactly that, but was talked out of it by John Kelly...
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ex-khobar Andy wrote:"I endorsed him at his request, and I gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted, which as President I had to approve."

I'm just curious - does the President have to approve a funeral service at the Washington National Cathedral? (If he does, that's one separation of church and state I want to see enforced imediately, if not sooner!)
And per the USNA Cemetery Eligibility Requirements, "Distinguished Graduates of the Naval Academy" may be buried there - which McCain, however much one might or might not agree with his politics, undoubtedly was. Is this yet another Trumpian lie or exaggeration?
I think it's more Trumpian bluster and bloviation.  He doesn't even have any say in whether or not someone lies in state — or in the case of civilians, 'in honor' — in the Capitol; that's the call of Congress itself, who has to propose and approve of the honor either by pushing through a resolution or simply by having leadership agree to it (most often, no resolution is needed)

....although he might mean that he *DID* stay away from a funeral he was clearly and specifically un-invited to, instead of bellowing "I'm the President and I'll go anywhere I goddamn well please!!" and crashing the services anyway.

Or maybe as the senior official in DC, he had to sign off on the parade permit for the funeral procession/cortege?
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To their credit, the workers at the tank factory were silent during Trump's latest exercise in disgusting self-absorption.


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And HuffPost is reporting that the National Cathedral people (obviously fake news from those guys) are saying that Trump signed on nothing more than having a military transport to bring the late Senator from Arizona to DC: (partial quotation from piece below)
The Washington National Cathedral is fighting back against President Donald Trump’s assertion that he had to approve the funeral arrangements for Sen. John McCain, one eyebrow-raising comment in his latest string of jabs against the late Arizona lawmaker.

“Washington National Cathedral was honored to host the funeral service for Sen. John McCain. All funerals and memorial services at the Cathedral are organized by the family of the deceased; only a state funeral for a former president involves consultation with government officials,” a cathedral spokesperson told HuffPost on Thursday. “No funeral at the Cathedral requires the approval of the president or any other government official.”

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Lying in state at the U.S. Capitol requires congressional authorization, but not presidential authorization. In reality, Trump only gave approval for the use of military transportation to bring McCain’s body back to Washington.

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Sometimes I fell that Trump is just full of shit.
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RayThom wrote:Sometimes I feel that Trump is just full of shit.
Me too. And other times I feel that Shit is just full of trump.
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Scumbag Lowlife Coward Can't Stop Obsessing Over Dead War Hero:
USS John McCain insult is one more disgraceful chance for Donald Trump to look small

OPINION

Laurie Roberts, Arizona Republic

Arizona Sen. John McCain may be nine months in his grave yet still he is making Donald Trump look like a presidential pigmy.

The president’s blood feud with a man who no longer can fight back continues this month, the Wall Street Journal reports, as the White House instructed the Navy to move the USS John McCain “out of sight” for Trump’s visit to Japan.

So the United States Navy hung a tarp over the ship’s name and sailors, who wear a cap bearing McCain’s name, were given the day off while the president was in town.

Let me just repeat that.

The U.S. military hid the name of a Navy pilot who was shot down over North Vietnam and tortured while being held for five and a half years as a prisoner of war. A man whose injuries left him unable to raise his arms above his head for the rest of his life.

This, because our president prefers “people who weren’t captured.”

People who don’t dare to speak truth to power ... about women, about Latinos, about foreign policy and especially about Russia. (McCain called Trump's press conference with Russian President Vladimir Putin “one of the most disgraceful performances by an American president in memory.”)

People who don’t spend the final year of their life pleading for this nation and its leaders to live up to our ideals, recalling what America represents and repudiating Trump and the nationalist wave he rode in on.

Clearly, McCain’s remarks stung Trump, who the next day fired back.

“People have to be careful because at some point I fight back," Trump said. "I'm being very nice. I'm being very, very nice. But at some point I fight back, and it won't be pretty."

No kidding.

Trump’s feud with McCain began when McCain shunned and later panned Trump's first Phoenix campaign rally. (“He fired up the crazies,” McCain said.)

And it ends … never.

In February, Trump was griping about his 2017 vote against a repeal of the Affordable Care Act.

In March, Trump was still griping about that vote and assorted other things and felt the need to tweet out that McCain was "last in his class" at the US Naval Academy. (He wasn’t.)

And harrumphing that he “had to” give McCain “the kind of funeral that he wanted” and never got any thanks from the family. (He did.)

Now, the Navy throws a tarp over McCain’s name on a warship named for him, his father and grandfather because, what, the President Bone Spur’s eyes would bleed if he saw it?

According to the WSJ, Navy and Air Force officials received an email on May 15 listing needed preparations for Trump’s visit. No. 3 on the list was that the USS John McCain be "out of sight." The warship was stationed at the Yokosuka Naval Base near the USS Wasp, where Trump spoke on Memorial Day.

“Please confirm #3 will be satisfied,” a U.S. Indo-Pacific Command official wrote, adding that he was working with the White House Military Office to obtain more information.

The Journal reported that Acting Defense Secretary Pat Shanahan was aware of the concern about the USS John McCain’s presence in Japan and “approved measures” so it wouldn’t interfere with the president’s trip.


The word “disgraceful” doesn’t even begin to cover it.

Trump late Wednesday responded that he had nothing to do with throwing a tarp over the McCain name. Or giving sailors, who wear caps bearing the name McCain, the day off. Or moving a barge near the ship to make it harder to see from the USS Wasp.

Hard to believe the military decided to diss three generations of McCains all on its own. [Pretty much impossible...BTW, the ship is named for McCain's father and grandfather, not the senator...

Meghan McCain, who like her father never backs down from a fight, didn’t let this slight go and good for her.

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Trump is a child who will always be deeply threatened by the greatness of my dads incredible life.[/b [Meghan hits the nail right on the ol' noggin there] There is a lot of criticism of how much I speak about my dad, but nine months since he passed, Trump won't let him RIP. So I have to stand up for him.

It makes my grief unbearable.


Good for her.

It has now been 277 days since John McCain died.

That is 39 weeks and four days. That is nine months and four days.

That is far too long for a president, who presumably has other things to do, to continue his blood feud with a statesman now dead and buried.

Let it go, Mr. President.

It’s been 277 days since his death, and still John McCain is making you look small.


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Just when you think the LyingCheatoe-in-Chief cannot go any lower, you read this. I cannot believe the Navy allowed this to happen. Where the fuck are their backbones?
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Sure would like to be a fly on the wall for the next meeting of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. The Sec of Defense issued a dish-water weak explanation for all this, that sure read as tho he did not know that the Destroyer was named for father and son Admirals, not a dead Arizona Senator.

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Yes and no on that, SG. When it was launched in 1994 it was named for the father and grandfather of Sen. McCain.

When it was 'rededicated' last year, (whatever that means) Sen. McCain's name was added.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/us/u ... ule=inline

That doesn't change your basic point, of course, that the whole thing was pathetic. I don't doubt that Trump did not order it, just as Henry II didn't order the killing of Thomas a Becket. But the 'White House' made the original request* because those guys know what it takes to survive in Trump's environment. It is, in many ways, not unlike the Russia thing. Trump did not survive all those years in the NYC property business without learning how to isolate himsef from criminality by have it done at arm's length as much as possible.

*According to those pinkos at the WSJ. I don’t have access to the article but the paragraph you can read before hitting the paywall says:

The White House wanted the U.S. Navy to move “out of sight” the warship USS John S. McCain ahead of President Trump’s visit to Japan, according to an email reviewed by The Wall Street Journal.

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Ok I love that idea. People should show up at all Trump events with large "What would John McCain do?" signs.

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Great idea. Reminds me of how various countries who were at odds with the US would rename the street on which the embassy was situated. So if I remember correctly, the US Embassy in Tehran was located at 100 Great Satan St, or something similar.

I think the city government in Washington DC could rename Pennsylvania Avenue in honor of McCain.

I can see this taking root. Would be nice if every pub on the route from Heathrow to Central London could be renamed 'The McCain Arms' or variations on that theme.

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What a lovely gesture... :D :ok

Maybe thousands of Brits can turn out to line the route of Trump's motorcade holding huge pictures of the late Senator...

Greet him with a thundering chant of "JOHN Mc-CAIN! JOHN Mc-CAIN!" whenever he emerges in public...

How about a huge helium filled balloon with McCain's smiling image floating overhead?

ETA:

A sky writer would be a nice touch...
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Maybe someone could get hold of Nike and see if they could borrow this to chalk "Senator John McCain" over and over along the Trump motorcade route?


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Does having Trump's name on a boat qualify it as a dinghy?

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Joe Guy wrote:Does having Trump's name on a boat qualify it as a dinghy?
Dingbat maybe.

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