A Modern Sherlock Holmes That Actually Works

[Timster]

Well fuck me pink! I guess I wasn't speaking to the resident expert then... LMFAO~

Just the neophytes that think Hollywood is the end all.

[Gob]

Agreed.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Just the neophytes that think Hollywood is the end all.

You mean it's not!?!?!?!??!
from someone who has not gone to the movies in many a year

[Sean]

Have any of you looked into the author's background? Mayhap some insight can be found there...

I have 3 biographys of ACD, and his collected letters.

I own the canon in three different editions, including Klinger (et al) annotated version.

I have all his other books too.

I have many books on the canon, including "Sherlock Holmes Was Wrong: Reopening the Case of the Hound of the Baskervilles" by Pierre Bayard and "The Hound of the Baskervilles: Hunting the Dartmoor Legend", by Phillip Welller, and other studies of the novels. I have Fletcher Barton's (the man who gave ACD the inspiration for "The Hound" ) "A Footnote to The Hound of the Baskervilles".

I have DVD's of all of Rathbone's and Brett's homes, as well as most other modern versions of the tales.

My pride an joy is a bound edition of the original strand magazines.

I was a member of the "Dartmoor hounds" for a couple of year.

I have visited and taken Hen and Hatch to many of the places, named, or sites upon which places in the book were based. (inc the "real" 221b Baker St.)

I'm something of a fan, that's why I find it so amusing when rubato seeks to "teach" me.

But do you believe in fairies?

[Lord Jim]

Holmes is amoral.

I have to completely disagree with that.

Holmes showed himself repeatedly to be a determined foe of injustice. That's not something that "amoral' people care about. (Holmes was also a patriot; something else that else that amoral types ordinarily don't care about )

If Holmes had been amoral, his services would simply have been for sale to the highest bidder; that wasn't the case. On occasions he came to the aide of people who couldn't even afford a fee....

Holmes was obviously aloof, but he revealed himself on many occasions to have a deep sense of moral bearings, and sometimes even sentimentality.

(He also had a weakness for sob stories from members of the fairer sex, and it was because he was aware of this vulnerability that he adopted a manner to keep them at arm's length.)

[Sean]

I'm with you on that Jim. I never saw Holmes as amoral, IMO he just thought that he was better than everybody else.

[Gob]

Holmes on more than occasion in the canon, either breaks the law, or allows a murder to go unpunished.

Though I will concede that "amoral" was a poor choice of words, mea cupla.

What should we agree on?

As for fairies, go to as many saunas as I do.....

[Lord Jim]

Holmes on more than occasion in the canon, either breaks the law, or allows a murder to go unpunished.

I know, and in fact those occasions were part of what I had in mind when objecting to the idea that he was "amoral"...

Holmes was always more concerned with what he saw as what "just" rather than what was "legal"...

If following the law was going to lead to what Holmes saw as an unjust result, he would always choose what he saw as justice over what was strictly speaking legal....

He didn't have a huge amount of respect for the legal system or those who administered it, and had no compunctions about substituting his own (superior of course) judgment.

So it would certainly be correct to say that he considered himself to be "above the law"... but the reason he considered himself to be so was because he saw his judgment as rendering a more moral result in some cases than what the cops and the courts would provide.

[Gob]

Nothing there I can disagree with, as I say, a poor choice of words on my behalf...

[Gob]

Just re-watched "A Study in Pink". Bloody hell it IS GOOD!!

The quality of the writing alone is superb, but there's also a mix of humour and intelligence, and enough cap doffing to the original series to pay respect. Beautifully almost noir filming, and plenty of atmosphere, (without trying for Victoriana) in order for it to be enjoyable without it being over familiar.The two leads are perfect, Lestrade less so. An unusual choice of Gatis to play Mycroft, but again nicely twisted, ("Imagine what the family Xmas lunches were like!".) Jeff Davis (Quadrophenia!) was a great choice as the cabbie.

I loved this;

Dr. John Watson: A place like this must be expensive.
Sherlock Holmes: Not really. I know the landlady, Mrs. Hudson. She owes me a favor. A few years back, her husband was sentenced to death in Florida. I was able to help out.
Dr. John Watson: You stopped her husband from being executed?
Sherlock Holmes: Oh, no, I ensured it.

I really cannot wait for this, fingers crossed they keep up the standards.

[Gob]

Jim, a nice quote from the doco that accompanies the DVD set, from Stephen Moffat one of the co-wirters/producers; "We wanted to make a Sherlock that wasn't tied up in antiquities and fog and Viictorian times. We wanted to do one so the audience would experience Sherlock Holmes as the original readers did, as a contemporary drama.'

Edited to add: "The show is produced by Hartswood Films for BBC Wales."

[The Hen]

Edited to add: "The show is produced by Hartswood Films for BBC Wales."

So that means it has melted cheese on top.

[Guinevere]

Ha!

Wales will forever be melted cheese to me now!

[Gob]

EXCLUSIVE: On the heels of Sherlock Holmes getting a successful contemporary makeover in features with the Robert Downey Jr.-starring franchise, and on public television with Masterpiece Theater’s Sherlock, the famous 19th century British detective is headed for a commercial TV series update. CBS has bought Sherlock Holmes, a drama project from CBS TV Studios and studio-based Timberman/Beverly Prods., which is described as a modern take on the cases of the pipe-smoking private eye created by Arthur Conan Doyle. Rob Doherty is writing and will executive produce with Sarah Timberman and Carl Beverly. Timberman/Beverly has 2 new series on CBS this fall, Unforgettable and A Gifted Man.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/09/cbs-dev ... ies-books/

edited to add;

What’s undeniable is that Cumberbatch is considered, not least by the effusive audience members, to be the most dashing screen Holmes of all time. A Twitter society named the Cumberbitches exists solely to worship the actor, who they call a “high cheek-boned, blue-eyed sexbomb”. It currently has over 5000 followers.

Edited again to add; I just had a minor orgasm....

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[loCAtek]

So, is he still addicted to coke and morphine?

[The Hen]

So you'd be a Cumberbitch too Gob?

[Gob]

Snuurrrt! nope. I find him very appealing as Holmes, but enough to want to have messy sex with him.

Freemanbitch maybe.

[Lord Jim]

Freemanbitch maybe.

I'm sure he'd be flattered to hear that Strop, but I don't know if you're his type....

[Sean]

Snuurrrt! nope. I find him very appealing as Holmes, but enough to want to have messy sex with him.

Freemanbitch maybe.

Hmmm... Freudian slip there mate.

I assume you meant for that sentence to contain the word 'not'...

[Daisy]

Are you still in the UK on that date Gob?