Xmas greeting sin

[rubato]

A total tempest in a tea pot.

Many religions including branches of Christianity forbid using expressions referring to others dogmas or celebrations.

If I recall, traditionally, Quakers did not observe Christmas nor did they wish others 'Merry Christmas'. And some contemporary Christians try to suppress Halloween observances in their flock because they think they promote satanism and witchcraft.

Why should we think anyone is obliged to conform to our customs about things like this? Freedom of, and freedom from, right?



yrs,
rubato

[MajGenl.Meade]

Why should we think anyone is obliged to conform to our customs about things like this? Freedom of, and freedom from, right?

Why indeed? No-one in this thread suggested any obligation to conform to "our" customs. Nor should they.

Meade

[Joe Guy]

... "What is wrong with NOT celebrating his birth" is a total non-starter in response to "A muslim says there is something very wrong with celebrating...". It makes no sense because they both carry the exact same meaning; it's not a response but a reiteration.

Those two statements don't have the exact same meaning. "NOT celebrating his birth" doesn't imply there is something wrong with celebrating his birth. If a muslim says there is something very wrong with celebrating... (I don't need to explain it, do I?)

A response to the muslim would consist of "what is wrong with celebrating his birth". Which is what dgs wrote.

Yep. That's what dgs wrote. And then Sean wrote what he wrote.

Sean was responding (and says so) to dgs - not to anything else. dgs says "What's wrong with celebrating his birth" and the reply is "What's wrong with NOT celebrating his birth. Why should anyone get upset because non-Christian faiths don't etc"

Yep.

As LJ pertinently asked, who did Sean have in mind as being "upset because non-Christian faiths don't celebrate" Christian festivals? Who? Was there anyone in this thread upset about that?

Sean asked why anyone would get upset about that in response to a post by dgs, who had responded to the OP. You have to connect the dots in order to understand what Sean meant.

Are Moslems upset because non-Christian faiths DON'T celebrate? No. Buddhists? No. Atheists? No. Only a h ypothetical theoretical "Christian" could be upset that non-Christian faiths don't celebrate. And Sean's post was in "direct response" to dgs. Therefore the only Christian posting who can be misunderstood as "upset" is dgs.

See above. I think it's time for another poll.

[Rick]

Joe, poll vault, please, poll vault...

[Lord Jim]

Why should we think anyone is obliged to conform to our customs about things like this? Freedom of, and freedom from, right?

Why indeed? No-one in this thread suggested any obligation to conform to "our" customs. Nor should they.

Meade

I think rube has a problem with his computer...

Apparently large portions of discussions on this forum simply do not appear on his screen....

That would account for his making "points" that have already been thoroughly dealt with, repeating assertions that have already been debunked, etc....

I suggest he take his computer over to The Geek Squad and see if they can fix the bug for him.

[MajGenl.Meade]

As I said, understanding yer ackchewal English language is difficult for some.

Statement: a Muslim says there is something wrong with celebrating Christmas
Response 1: what is wrong with celebrating Christmas?
Response 2: what is wrong with not celebrating Christmas?

Statement: a person says there is something wrong with Joe
Response 1: what is wrong with Joe?
Response 2: what is wrong with not Joe?

(Granted the last line might be "What is not wrong with Joe?" but that didn't seem to work)

Hint here:

Meade

edit to add: Joe all those Smilies are supposed to indicate that I'm just messing around and not continuing any argument about this dead horse here.

[rubato]

Why should we think anyone is obliged to conform to our customs about things like this? Freedom of, and freedom from, right?

Why indeed? No-one in this thread suggested any obligation to conform to "our" customs. Nor should they.

Meade

So you are saying that "there is no issue here" therefore my pointing out "there is no issue here" is wrong? Why did he post the OP? Because he thought there was nothing interesting about someone from a different religion saying that they ought not recognize a religious celebration not thier own? It was all so completely uninteresting and unworthy of notice that he posted about it?

You're sounding as irrational as gob and LJ.


yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

So you are saying that "there is no issue here" therefore my pointing out "there is no issue here" is wrong? Why did he post the OP?

LMAO

If you had the reading comprehension skills of a 4th grader, you would know that the OP wasn't about anyone "conforming" to anyone elses customs...

It was about a publicity seeking Islamic leader, telling the members of his Mosque that it was a sin to do so much as to wish a Christian friend a "Merry Christmas"....

You're sounding as irrational as gob and LJ.

Oh no....

I've been called "irrational" by a guy who keeps something in own his house that he insists makes people "less safe"....

It's going to take years of therapy for me to recover from that devastating blow to my self esteem....

[RayThom]

... quite succinctly early on. I'm amazed how religious ideology has become the most prominent aspect in the lives of so many. However, with billion$ to be reaped from the unsuspecting faithful I'm really not surprised.

Religion, it's all a load of old bollocks isn't it?

Yes it is, Gob, yes it is. Amen, brother.