"Miss Piggy"

[Bicycle Bill]

Agree with what BP/snailgate says above.  There are some people — the 'basket of deplorables' — for which there is no hope of salvation, education, moderation, or any other kind of "...tion".  The Democrats are wise to not waste time and resources on trying to convert those whose minds are already like concrete; fully mixed up and permanently set.

But the other half of Trump supporters ... those are the ones the Democrats need to reach.  They are the ones that need to be shown, who need to be educated, who need to be made to realize that, no matter what they think Trump may do FOR them, what he will do TO them and the rest of America (and possibly the world) in the process is totally and completely unacceptable and 100% at odds with the founding principles and tenets of this country.

-"BB"-

[BoSoxGal]

How exactly do you teach somebody that? Somebody who has reached the age of majority to vote in this country? How do you teach an adult - and many of Trump's supporters are VERY adult, in terms of chronological age, anyway - to see xenophobia, racism, misogyny, etc. as BAD if they haven't figured it out by whatever adult age they are?

I mean seriously, this is the million dollar question and goes way beyond the scope of this election, this insane candidate. THIS is why I have so little hope for the future while watching this all unfold.

[liberty]

It doesn’t matter what Trump said or what he did, as long he didn’t commit a felony well I am not sure about that , and it doesn’t matter what he looks like or smell like the people that want change are going to vote him. I suspect that many who are going to vote for him don’t even like him, but are desperate for change in the direction of this country. There is no reason that our children and grand children should be poorer than we are; we can control our economy and have the life we want as a nation.

If Hilary is elected nothing will change except more fascist will be appointed to the SC.
Any judge that believe he has the right to interpret the Constitution counter to what it says is a fascist.

My definition:
A fascist believes he has the to right rule other people.

[Joe Guy]

Any judge that believe he has the right to interpret the Constitution counter to what it says is a fascist.

That's quite a memorable quote and should be passed on through the anus of history.

[Scooter]

Perhaps before presuming the capability to define words you might learn how to string them together into intelligible sentences rather than gibberish.

[Burning Petard]

My definition:
A fascist believes he has the to right rule other people. And what does the constitution say? Some judges declared it plainly says separate is equal. Other judges declared it plainly says separate is not equal. Which are fascist? Or is it all of them are?

Truly remarkable. I am trying without success to imagine a human social organization of any size greater than perhaps three, and certainly larger than 30, that would function as non-fascist by that definition.

Certainly every elected office in America is fascist to some degree. Every business exercises its fascist regimen with rules about when the doors are open and what the workers in the business will do.

snailgate

[liberty]

My definition:
A fascist believes he has the to right rule other people. And what does the constitution say? Some judges declared it plainly says separate is equal. Other judges declared it plainly says separate is not equal. Which are fascist? Or is it all of them are?

Truly remarkable. I am trying without success to imagine a human social organization of any size greater than perhaps three, and certainly larger than 30, that would function as non-fascist by that definition.

Certainly every elected office in America is fascist to some degree. Every business exercises its fascist regimen with rules about when the doors are open and what the workers in the business will do.

snailgate

A free people rule themselves in our case through a constitution. The government does not rule a free people it governs; that is it carries out the will of the people, the sovereign, through laws it enforces. Kings and dictators rule and slaves and subjects are ruled. The government is empower by the people to provide a safe and orderly society in which they, the people, can go about their business.

If one takes a job with a company one enters into an implied contract where the company pays you to work , produce and follow the rules. If the company doesn’t pay you for the work you did you have the right to quit and sue for compensation. If you don’t work and or follow the rules the company has the right to fire you. A company does not rule you; it supervises. It cannot prevent you from exercising your free will to quit, penalties associated with specialized employment contracts not considered here.

[wesw]

remember this BP?

for some reason it bothers me when you think that I m deplorable....

when you think I m a Nazi...

scooter, guin, crazy ass bs gal? ....who cares, really.... it s just sad.

but you, meade..., maybe jim and RR...., it bothers me.

joe....

if oldr calls me deplorable I ll really have to re think things....

anyway... (STREAM OF CONSCIOUSNESS FOR BARGAIN BILL...)....

...remember this?

(by the way, I m not the Nazi in this video, in this forum, I m the guy getting dragged out...

tomorrow it could be the crazy assed people...., or the old...., or you.....

[oldr_n_wsr]

if oldr calls me deplorable I ll really have to re think things....

I don't think I have ever called anyone names on any forum I have participated in.
Maybe in jest, but never maliciously.
No need to start now.

In real life most/all of my friends get nicknames, but they are not mean spirited. Like my buddy "wimpy". It's not because he is weak or a wimp, it''s because way back when, McDonalds had a sale of 10 cent hamburgers and he borrowed a $1.00 so he could get 10. He promised to pay us back tomorrow.

[MajGenl.Meade]

oldr, by the bad typing in that quote (esp. the missing comma and apostrophe) and the fact that I can't find the quote in any of the messages visible to me, I guess that you are quoting something from wesw?

If so, he's not claiming that you HAVE called him deplorable.

He's claiming that if you DID call him "deplorable", he might have to take it seriously and re-adjust his own ideas. This indicates he believes you to be very much like him.

IMO

[Big RR]

Or at least someone he respects the opinion of (I know, don't end the sentence with a preposition).

[MajGenl.Meade]

Interesting. Do you think that, unlike you and me , he respects any opinion that differs from his own?

[Big RR]

Meade--Respects their opinions on an issue he feels strongly about? Probably not when his mind is made up. But when it comes to assessing his character, I think he does care about/respect the opinions of people he feels are fair or not prone to name calling or personal attacks. So if, e.g., oldr were to resort to calling him deplorable, he'd have to "rethink things".

And FWIW, respecting opinions of others doesn't mean adopting them, only giving them some consideration. Also, for some (and I will not name anyone, but certainly not all of the people Wes mentioned above) the name calling here is not personal, it's the way they interact with others. I recall the part of My Fair Lady when Eliza sings the praises of Higgins' friend saying "He treats a flower girl like a duchess" and Higgins responds "And I treat a duchess like a flower girl--it's pretty much the same"; some here subscribe to Higgins' position IMHO.

[liberty]

Interesting. Do you think that, unlike you and me , he respects any opinion that differs from his own?

One respects the opinion of a person one respects, but still might not agree; even the wises people are sometimes wrong.

[Big RR]

Most of the time I think you're right liberty; however, I do think that sometimes when a person you respect (or at least think well of) has a opinion quite different from yours on an issue, people will sometimes resort to rationalizing the difference ("he was brainwashed by...", "he is being paid off", etc.) and insisting it's not real because they cannot respect the other side. I think most of us (some much more than others) have some black and white opinions we see as important, and we will not respect the opinion of someone else on it.

[oldr_n_wsr]

If so, he's not claiming that you HAVE called him deplorable.

I know, I was merely carrying on.

He's claiming that if you DID call him "deplorable", he might have to take it seriously and re-adjust his own ideas. This indicates he believes you to be very much like him.

I don't know if that is true and it doesn't offend me if he does think I am like him. In some ways I probably am like him. I like to fish and hunt and do things for myself. From what I have read from wesw, he does those things also. So there we have common ground. I'm sure there are more things we have in common.
The way I took it is how BigRR put it:

I think he does care about/respect the opinions of people he feels are fair or not prone to name calling or personal attacks. So if, e.g., oldr were to resort to calling him deplorable, he'd have to "rethink things".

Not because he thinks my opinions are "like" his.
Some are, some are not. I think he knows that. I believe he respects my writing "style" and to me, that is humbling.

wesw also talks about others he is bothered by when they call him names or associate him with "not so nice" people (deplorable/nazi)

but you, meade..., maybe jim and RR...., it bothers me.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Thanks for that glimpse into the abyss, oldr. Points taken from all above. Useful observations

[oldr_n_wsr]

You're welcome MGM.