Occupy this

[Gob]

Plagarism?

Score one for LJ

Can you show us the plagiarism please?

Thought not.

[quaddriver]

and yet are so quick to jump to the conclusion that the BBC is falsifying information in this case.
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far be it from me to defend LJ, but he didnt jump to that conclusion or even hint it. He stated there was no way those were street interviews.

I linked to a site that printed the street interviews, most importantly, one name who appears in both. His actual street interview was far far different from what the BBS reported. So where exactly did the BBC get those sentiments? Or as LJ asked "HOW"

[Gob]

The BBC would have interviewed people on the streets in a calm and measured manner.

Still waiting for evidence of plagiarism.

[quaddriver]

The BBC would have interviewed people on the streets in a calm and measured manner.

Still waiting for evidence of plagiarism.

wtf you on about? reading getting the best of you today?

[Gob]

Are you just acting stupid for the sake of it, or is it that you have no other option?

Jim did not claim plagiarism.

So where does this idea of "plagiarism", which was first mooted by you, come from?

[Gob]

Daniel Nasaw is currently an online producer and writer for the BBC. He previously worked as a reporter for Guardian America, based in the paper's Washington DC bureau. Before joining Guardian America in October 2007 he was an award-winning political reporter at the Arkansas Democrat-Gazette in Little Rock and worked for the Wall Street Journal in New York

[quaddriver]

Are you just acting stupid for the sake of it, or is it that you have no other option?

Jim did not claim plagiarism.

NEITHER did I (quelle surprise!)

I simply asked a question (as evidenced by this strange curly punctuation mark....), seeing as my link backed LJs assertion and disproved any notion that the BBC reports came from street interviews (of which my link also has video of)

[Gob]

A) The word plagiarism, occurs only in your post. Therefore, and claim, intimation, question of "plagiarism", lies only with you. Please demonstrate any evidence of plagiarism you have found.
B) Do you know what "plagiarism" means?
C) How did your link "disprove(d) any notion that the BBC reports came from street interviews"? Please show.
D) Are you really as dumb as you act?

[quaddriver]

No, but you might be.

Of course we could believe that the same person was interviewed by the american chick, and so overcome with her beauty that he could only stammer out a few sentences. But when approached by the BBC he donned a smoking jacket and new england accent and uttered a 500 word treatise....

only in your world gob, only in your world...

[Gob]

But that has nothing to do with plagiarism?

plagiarism
[pley-juh-riz-uhm, -jee-uh-riz-]  
noun
1.
the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work, as by not crediting the author: It is said that he plagiarized Thoreau's plagiarism of a line written by Montaigne. Synonyms: appropriation, infringement, piracy, counterfeiting; theft, borrowing, cribbing, passing off.
2.
something used and represented in this manner: Well-respected publishers are developing a sharper eye for plagiarism in submitted manuscripts.

As for the rest of the bullshit you spout, you take stupidity into a new dimension.

Can you tell me how and why people from two differing news agencies should use exactly the same amounts of quotes from any individual they may interview?


By the way, here are the interviews in full;

Jacob Wagner, a 25-year-old law student at Case Western Reserve University, said he decided to get involved after hearing about the protest online. He and others chanted and marched down Lakeside Avenue.

"Even if we can't camp out, we're going to keep coming back," Wagner said. "We have a right to free speech and we're going to speak out."

(The fact that he may have been marching while she attempted to interview him may have something to do with the brevity of the words of his she used.)

Jacob Wagner, 25, law and business student



My family has gone through a lot this past decade. I've seen the effects of the corporate domination of government institutions at the expense of the working classes. Enough is enough.

We really need to even the economic playing field of elections. Right now, one vote is equal to another only in a tally. If you donate $1,000 to a politician's campaign and I donate a dollar, he's not going to listen to me, he's going to listen to you.

My parents and my brother all have a lot of health problems. They lost their health insurance because my dad lost his job. My family sometimes struggles to eat, pay the bills, pay the mortgage.

I know that other people are going through the same times. I know that a lot of people... think America is number one and it can't get any better than this. It can. Our public transportation is garbage. We're not moving towards clean energy - they're keeping us dependent on oil. That's why I want to help people become aware. I want to help people wake up and not be afraid to speak out against something that's wrong.

No great difference in quality of speech there I'm afraid Quaddiot. Oh, and no smoking jacket nor New England accent.

You did realise the BBC gave photographs of each individual they interviewed, didn't you? You know, took people aside for a period, allowed them to clear their thoughts, photographed them, and gave them a chance to speak their minds properly.


Greg Coleridge, 52

Michelle Mahon, 40, union nurse

Rev Meredith White-Zeager, 38, Presbyterian minister

Justin Bilyj, 29, insurance broker, bartender and supporter of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul

Justin Bilyj, 29, insurance broker, bartender and supporter of Republican presidential candidate Ron Paul

So now, will you have the gonads to admit you were wrong, that there was no "plagiarism", that you do not have a leg to stand on.

Or will you remain the chickenshit coward we all know and despise?

[BoSoxGal]

Sue, thanks for that post. Watching that video made my heart glad, and in my current line of work I experience that far too infrequently.

[rubato]

Thanks from me too, Sue.

I was impressed with how articulate they protesters were who were interviewed on NPR last week.

Their maturity and thoughtfulness gives one hope.

yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

Once again, those who have nothing to say are attacking the messengers, and even having to lie to do that.

yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

Watching that video made my heart glad

Ought-oh....

Experience has taught me that when BSG sees something around here that makes her "heart glad" or "gives her hope"...

It usually gives me agida...

in my current line of work I experience that far too infrequently.

Why?

You're putting away bad guys; you should feel good about that.

[BoSoxGal]

Let's just say that after a decade+ in domestic violence/family/poverty law, and now going on 4 years in criminal law, I totally 'get' why the legal profession has such a high rate of substance abuse, depression and suicide (for the last two, attorneys have the highest rate of any profession).

I daily wallow in the worst of human nature; it fatigues.

[Lord Jim]

I daily wallow in the worst of human nature; it fatigues.

It's my understanding that cops can frequently suffer from that as well.

[Gob]

Try mental health....

[BoSoxGal]

Well actually . . .

Published on Monday, March 3, 2003 by the Guardian/UK
300,000 Mentally Ill in US Prisons
by Duncan Campbell in Los Angeles

Nearly 300,000 mentally ill people are held in US prisons, often because there is nowhere else for them to go. So serious is the problem that one jail in Los Angeles has become in effect the biggest mental institution in the country.

Senior police officers and mental health experts say that the situation is critical but there is a lack of political will to deal with it. Some of the mental patients spend many years in jail for minor offences.

Twin Towers jail in central Los Angeles, which Los Angeles county sheriff's department calls the biggest known jail in the world, has become a national symbol of the crisis. About 2,000 mentally ill prisoners, recognizable by yellow shirts and the letter M on their name tags, make up almost half its intended occupants.

"The more unstable they are, the higher up they are," Deputy Sheriff Daniel Castro said, conducting a tour of the building where the men are housed. "Up on the seventh floor are the most unstable."

All are on medication. It was noticeable that the higher the floor, the slower and more sluggish the movements of the inmates. "Some guys, all they do is sleep all day," Mr Castro said.

Many are both mentally ill and homeless, and have committed minor offences such as public drunkenness or vagrancy, or are awaiting trial. They spend most of the time lying on their bunks or watching television. A few read, but many are illiterate. They are allowed two 30-minute visits a week.

"We shouldn't be running the largest de facto mental institution in the country," the sheriff's spokesman, Steve Whitmore, said yesterday. "We are doing it to the best of our ability but we just don't have the resources. We have to have an alternative to what is going on now."

The sheriff, Lee Baca, says it is not the job of the police and the county jails to incarcerate mentally disturbed people who have committed only misdemeanors. He would like to see a place established in central Los Angeles where they could be given treatment and help rather than locked up.

"Jails are not the appropriate place for the mentally ill," he said yesterday, adding that the problem had been at "crisis emergency" level for some time.

Nationally the problem is growing. There were at least 283,000 inmates classified as mentally ill in 2000, according to the justice department.

It was exacerbated by the closure of many mental institutions under the "care in the community" policy introduced in the 80s during Ronald Reagan's presidency. (A similar policy was introduced in the UK around the same time.)

Between 1982 and 2001 the numbers of public hospital beds available for the mentally ill decreased by 69%.

Oscar Morgan, a senior consultant at the National Mental Health Association (NMHA) and a former mental commissioner for the state of Maryland, said it was a major issue for the prison service.

"It is acknowledged now that many people in the prison system could, with proper treatment, be elsewhere. The question is how to move them out and how to prevent them from going in the first place. One of the issues is who is responsible for their care and treatment."

A few states are experimenting with mental health courts to deal with such cases. But the NMHA is skeptical about the idea, because it carries the risk of further criminalizing people with mental illness. And lobbyists for the rights of mental patients say they are worried that such courts could insist on coercive treatment.

In Memphis, Tennessee, the police have begun working with mental health professionals when someone clearly mentally ill is arrested.

Mr Morgan said some mentally ill people spent years inside for minor offences because they did not know how to contact lawyers or explain their cases. There were various projects pioneered by states or individual communities to deal with the crisis but no coordinated national strategy.

Seriously ill patients complain that they are often unable to get the medication they need.

"I had a woman on the phone today whose fiance is bipolar [manic-depressive] and who is in a facility in Florida where they won't give him the medication he needs but have given him Prozac instead, which is completely inappropriate," Kara Gotsch of the American Civil Liberties Union's national prison project said.

The woman had protested, but had then desisted because the prison authorities were retaliating against her fiance.

"Now she is at a loss what to do."

Ms Gotsch said that high security prisons - supermaxes - were now being used as a dumping ground for people with serious mental problems.

"There are now large numbers of the mentally ill in solitary confinement," she said. "They spend 23 hours out of 24 in their cell."

The ACLU is taking legal action on behalf of mentally ill prisoners.

Last year it won a case in Little Rock, Arkansas, where a federal judge ruled that the state had violated the rights of mentally ill inmates by leaving them in jail and denying them court-ordered evaluation and treatment.

© Guardian Newspapers Limited 2003

It's one of the more depressing aspects of my work to deal with so many mentally ill people who simply won't be getting access to good mental health treatment in the criminal justice system, or anywhere else in the good ol' USA.

eta: Yes, naysayers, I know this article is 7 years old - it's the first return I clicked on and I'm in a hurry, but the figures have actually gone up significantly in the intervening 10 years since what was measured and reported herein.

[Gob]

Sounds horrific.

Though I have a couple of lads on my caseload who would be better served in an (Aussie) jail than by mental health.

I see Quadiot has dropped out of this one, having embarrassed himself severely.

[dales]

Try mental health....

Excellent advice, Gob.

A well-trained and empathatic psychotherapist can work wonders.



Edited to add: not pointing fingers or judging, just posting what has worked for me.

A far as the mental health system in CA, it is in a shambles.

Severly psychotic people are NOT getting the servies they require due to severe budget cuts.