any0ne v0ting trump in 2020?

[Darren]

Based on Durham's response to the IG's report, impeachment isn't going anywhere.

[wesw]

nice tag line....

h0nesty is refreshing.

that is why trump is s0 p0pular.

5...,4...,3...,2..., 1.....

[BoSoxGal]

n0t CA 0r NY....

....but he may carry Massachusetts.

[wesw]

W0W!!!1

I made all 5 0f y0ur pers0nalities laugh!

result!!!!!

[wesw]

...anyway, I was fishing f0r bigger fish.

swim away little tiddler.., swim away.....

[BoSoxGal]

n0t CA 0r NY....

....but he may carry Massachusetts.

In the general election, Clinton won Massachusetts with 60.01% of the vote, while Trump received 32.81% of the vote.

This was before his depths of despicability and corruption were clear; I will be surprised if he does this well here in 2020.

American Liberty was born here; we take it very seriously.

[Econoline]

With Trump's ratings going up during the impeachment circus, I'm thinking landslide.

Given the supreme overconfidence and arrogance of the trumpanzees, and with most Democrats' recognition that they're fighting an uphill battle, I'm seeing more and more parallels between Trump 2020 and Clinton 2016.

At this point I wouldn't rule out another Dem-majority/Rep-Electoral result, but I'm also cautiously optimistic about a real actual Democratic Electoral College victory, and maybe even a Senate takeover. We'll see. It's still too early for serious predictions.

[MajGenl.Meade]

It's not necessary to agree with the truth of the premise of this video. (His take on race relations is full of holes). But is necessary to recognize that the premise (how those who voted for Trump "feel" about things) is an articulate expression of their general position.

(You can skip the WW2 intro - although Market Garden is fascinating as ever) (And the conclusions are doubtless unsatisfactory).

In response to this elsewhere, I wrote that it seems obvious (to me) that many disgruntled (white) people voted for Trump not because he was the best choice but because he was the only choice for those who are sick of liberal dictatorship. I sympathize with much of that sickness but had to cast my vote on the (dark) other side; no matter what my opinion may be about the rights and wrongs of certain things, electing the devil (much darker) is not right. Finish and klaar.

It seems from all the comments on this video (and elsewhere of course), that the anger against liberal "destruction" of what millions of people value is not diminished but rather increased. People buy in to the Trumpian distortions because his lies appeal to the base (non-pc) emotions - people cannot express their dissatisfaction through established media (we all know that entertainment is dominated by homosexuals and their apologists) - or rather, they feel unable to obtain support or validation (I wonder why?) for their views and so they vote. Secretly, they "say" what they feel is not permitted to be spoken aloud in polite society.

They are reacting to what they perceive as the balkanization of the USA - not that they'd be smart enough to use the term. They are (IMO) reacting to a dim perception that society is being split into us and them and "them" is composed of swine. And we are "them". Christian(nominally)/white/straight/non drug-taking/working/European/native/legal immigrant/non criminal/etc. "Us" is perverted, murderous, elitist left, and so on. Not my view - but it's the subtext of this articulate guy in his video, isn't it?

Democrats had better wake up. While I disagree with much of the above, I am fed up with being identified as a pariah by the leftist "we know best" demagogues of morality, if anything that loose can be called such. If not for Trump being an excessive (and unchangeable) monster, I'd probably have to vote for someone close to his views in 2020 if there were a true choice. Since it will be Trump vs. __________, then __________ had better be someone I can hold my nose and vote for - just as in 2016.

[BoSoxGal]

I’m sorry, I’m trying to understand that last bit. Are you saying we must appease the racists and homophobes?

[Crackpot]

I would hope not appeasement(I hope) but a little compassion wouldn’t hurt. People of all stripes these days take too much joy out of looking down on and shaming others.

[Econoline]

Good question, BSG...good answer, CP.

[Crackpot]

I always strive to be repetitively redundant.

[wesw]

I m n0t a racist 0r a h0m0ph0be

it d0esn t even b0ther me t0 be called things anym0re

[Econoline]

How a New York Strip Club Explains Trump Supporters

• If you can’t get people to like or respect you, make them act like they do

[Long Run]

A New York Strip Club -- sounds like they are serious about their barbecues too.

[Darren]

Let me know how the Democrats will restore Black support to Obama levels before 2020. If you can't, you don't need a crystal ball to forecast 2020.

[MajGenl.Meade]

I’m sorry, I’m trying to understand that last bit. Are you saying we must appease the racists and homophobes?

No. I'm suggesting you lose such generalized bullshit as racists and homophobes because (a) it smacks of superior, elitist brain-dead knee-jerk characterization and (b) the word homophobe is underlined in red, proving that it's not a word but a construct.

I love my family and friends but I don't approve of everything they do (oh, and I love me too and am unhappy at myself quite often). That doesn't make me a familyphobe or a friendphobe.

[ex-khobar Andy]

If you're unhappy at yourself, Meade, you must be an autophobe.

Just saying.

[BoSoxGal]

They are reacting to what they perceive as the balkanization of the USA - not that they'd be smart enough to use the term. They are (IMO) reacting to a dim perception that society is being split into us and them and "them" is composed of swine. And we are "them". Christian(nominally)/white/straight/non drug-taking/working/European/native/legal immigrant/non criminal/etc. "Us" is perverted, murderous, elitist left, and so on. Not my view - but it's the subtext of this articulate guy in his video, isn't it?

They’re your words Meade. If someone is angry because of the existence of non-white people, he’s a racist. If someone is angry because of the existence of non-straight people, he’s a homophobe or whatever you want to call it.

I make no apologies whatsoever for looking down on people who hate other people for how they were born. They don’t deserve my compassion when they are actively working to torment other people for how God created them. Racists and homophobes just need to change or die off. I have no more patience for them.

[ex-khobar Andy]

Karl Popper wrote, in 1945 in The Open Society and its Enemies:

Less well known is the paradox of tolerance: Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. — In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant.

He wasn't wrong 74 years ago and he's not wrong now.