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oldr_n_wsr
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4th-grader gets frog dissections stopped
1:38 PM By Erin Geismar

When Gabriel Cruz, a fourth-grader at Ivy League School in Smithtown, told his teachers he did not want to dissect frogs with the rest of his classmates, they didn’t think much of it

“I thought it was an idea a fourth-grader got into his head and he just did not want to do,” said Myrna Cooper Gartenstein, director of curriculum and instruction at the private school.

That was back in December, Gartenstein said, when talk of the pending dissection, to supplement the biology curriculum, first began. On Tuesday, Gabriel’s class went to a laboratory to dissect the amphibians as planned, and although he was excused, that was hardly the extent of his victory.

Gartenstein said Gabriel, who keeps frogs at home, was initially encouraged to participate. She said his father, a doctor, explained to him that these frogs were bred for science and that there was nothing morally wrong with dissecting them.

“He didn’t really buy that,” Gartenstein said.

What Gartenstein didn’t know in December was that Gabriel had done his homework. He had researched an organization called Save The Frogs, she said, and learned that many species of amphibians have already gone extinct and other species are disappearing. He asked his parents to get onboard by contributing to the organization, and he requested an informational letter from the organization that he could show his teachers.

Gabriel presented the letter to Gartenstein a few days ago. It was too late to cancel the dissections because the school had already ordered the frogs, she said, but the letter convinced her to rethink the school’s curriculum.

"We were simply not aware of all of this," she said. "When the letter came in from the organization, we realized there really was this kind of abuse of these little animals going on."

Beginning next year, she said, Ivy League School will use online programs projected on Smart Boards to take students through the inner workings of the body in lieu of actual dissections. The school will also make a donation to Save The Frogs, she said.

Gartenstein described Gabriel as a “quiet boy,” who one wouldn’t expect to “go around brandishing any kind of cause."

"It does show that a child's calling your attention to something can make a difference," she said.
So, is dissection something that happens in other classes around the world? What say you?

I didn't do dissection until high school and I think 4th grade is a little young, but I loved that part of biology. We did worms, grasshoppers, frogs, pigs, you name it, we dissected it. Turns out my lab partner (still a great friend of mine) had "shakey hands" and I got to do all the cutting.
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Also, by the time we did dissections, I had already field dressed and prepared and cooked rabbits/squirrels/muscrats and various types of fish, so the whole "ick factor" did not bother me)

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Gob
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I really don't know what the socre is here or in the UK these days, I'll have to look into it.
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Wild, I thought they were bred frogs as well, but no;

"Surely they must be farm-raised, right?"

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Animal dissections in Australia usually happen in around Year 7 or 8 in High School.

It has been rats in Canberra High for the past 30 years. These are breed specifically for dissections and experiments.
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SisterMaryFellatio
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We dissected a frog in Biology around the age of 13.....loved it.

Still love watching gory stuff at work - watched them cut out a BCC from my leg and suture it up! thats by the by tho.

Dissecting a frog led onto Sex Ed tho...fuck knows how!

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The only thing I wanted to get all that close to in high school biology was our student teacher, but thats another story.

My youngest kids were dissecting in 6 and 7th grades. I, like oldr, was quite at home with field dressing and then skinning wild game from an earily age.
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Frogs and fetal pigs in high school biology - sophomore year, I think.

In college I took comparative anatomy, where we dissected small sharks and cats.

What I learned in the dissection process could easily have been learned as well by virtual dissection, without the stink of formaldehyde, which left me sick after every session.

I think dissection should be reserved for only advanced scientific research and gross anatomy for medical doctors in training. If you think about the numbers of creatures which are used for such purposes in general education - staggering and entirely unnecessary, in my opinion, given the state of digital advances of recent years.
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