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This is an interesting piece, almost makes me think the current GOP healthcare obscenity might be worth passing.
Why Democrats Should Love the GOP Health Care Plan: Graham-Cassidy could turn a red electoral map blue.

By Reihan Salam
Sept. 20 2017 11:13 AM

If Graham-Cassidy is signed into law, it just might represent the death knell of today’s GOP. Needless to say, that is not the message we’re hearing from the Republican senators who back the legislation, who insist it instead represents the last, best chance for the party to fulfill its promise to repeal and replace Obamacare. If you’ve promised voters something for long enough, they will surely punish you for failing to follow through, or so the theory goes. We can’t dismiss this possibility out of hand. However, we also can’t neglect the possibility that Graham-Cassidy will create an entirely new post-Obamacare politics, a set of circumstances that will leave the GOP in a far less favorable position.

How will Graham-Cassidy change our politics? By shifting billions of dollars in federal health expenditures to state governments, the latest Republican effort to replace Obamacare will leave state politics forever transformed. Once state legislatures are fully in charge of Medicaid and premium subsidies on the individual insurance market, health care will go from one issue among many in state politics to the No. 1 issue by far.

While none of this ensures that Democrats would be the party to gain the upper hand in the Graham-Cassidy era, I’d say it’d be a pretty good bet. Though opinion on health care fluctuates a decent amount, recent surveys find that four-fifths of voters have disapproved of previous efforts to repeal and replace Obamacare. This is not an ideal starting point for Republicans, and it speaks to a lingering distrust of the GOP on health care policy.

This is a bigger deal for the future of our politics than you might think. If Graham-Cassidy merely meant that, say, Democrats would take back the House in 2018, then Republicans could potentially just claw their way back in 2020 or 2022. But if Democrats start winning back state legislatures, they can change the entire congressional landscape. Whereas Republicans now hold an overwhelming advantage in the states—they control 32 legislatures to 12 for the Democrats, with six split between the two parties—expect that to change. Barring a hitherto unforeseen transformation of the GOP into the party of health care socialism, it will be the Democrats, the party most committed to expanding public insurance programs, who’ll be in the best spot if control over health care decisions moves from the nation’s capital to state capitals.

If Democrats do indeed start winning back state legislatures, they will be in a position to control the congressional redistricting process in the wake of the 2020 census, and to put their congressional candidates in a somewhat more favorable position. That is, they’ll be able to do something much like what Republicans did in numerous state legislatures after the 2010 census.

I want to stress that all of this could be true even if you believe Graham-Cassidy has some merit. To its defenders, the bill represents sound conservative principles. One of the chief conservative objections to Obamacare was that it amounted to a centralized, one-size-fits-all solution to the problems plaguing individual insurance markets across the country, despite the fact that those problems weren’t always the same. Regulations that might be a good fit for rich Massachusetts might not work so well for poor Mississippi, and so on. Graham-Cassidy loosens Obamacare regulations, with an eye toward giving state governments more discretion. Rather than prescribing a set formula for how federal subsidy dollars should be used, Graham-Cassidy gives state legislatures a much freer hand.
Moreover, Graham-Cassidy aims to equalize federal Medicaid spending. Because Medicaid is structured as a federal matching grant tied to state spending, states that spend more of their own money on Medicaid get more federal funds than states that don’t. This puts rich states, which by definition are in a better position to raise tax revenue, in a more favorable position than poor states, even though poor states get a more generous federal match.

The Medicaid expansion worked a bit differently, with all states subject to the same federal match. (At first, the federal government covers 100 percent of the cost of covering all newly eligible beneficiaries before ticking its contribution down to 90 percent.) The net result is that states that expanded Medicaid under Obamacare got a much better deal than states that chose not to do so. By leveling out federal Medicaid spending over time, you could argue that Graham-Cassidy is doing right by poorer states, especially those that did not expand Medicaid. Or you could say it’s unfair to punish states that expanded their Medicaid programs while rewarding those that did not. No matter which side you come down on, it’s inarguable that if Graham-Cassidy passes, it will have a profound impact on state budgets.

Let’s give Graham-Cassidy’s champions the benefit of the doubt and accept that their approach will empower state lawmakers to craft health care solutions that meet the needs of their communities. What that would mean for state lawmakers in practice is that the complaints they could once deflect to Congress would land firmly on their doorsteps. Every single person employed in the health care sector and every single person who depends on subsidized medical care, whether directly or indirectly, would have a vested interest in ensuring that local health systems are generously funded and that funding grows robustly from year to year. They would soon learn that their livelihoods depend on the outcome of state legislative races, and they would vote accordingly. All of this is perfectly consistent with the conservative commitment to decentralizing health care policy. It is also perfectly consistent with Republicans losing elections.

As sympathetic as I am to the conservative critique of Obamacare—that it is too centralized and too prescriptive—there is no question that Republicans in Congress have struggled to unite around a compelling alternative. And it’s not at all clear that Republicans in state legislatures are better equipped to make the case for a move toward catastrophic insurance or for getting tough with price-gouging hospitals, which are often the biggest and most politically influential employers in their vicinity.

So in the medium term, at least, Democrats campaigning on boosting health care spending would almost certainly gain ground. While the tax hikes that would inevitably follow would halt their momentum, that would take a while to come to pass. In the meantime, Democratic-controlled legislatures would start redrawing congressional districts to give Democratic candidates a much-needed assist.

Of course, all of this hinges on Graham-Cassidy actually passing. That might not happen, as some of its regulatory provisions might not pass muster under the Byrd Rule, and because Sens. Lisa Murkowski and John McCain might break ranks with their fellow Republicans while Sens. Rand Paul and Susan Collins show no signs of softening their opposition. If the Republican dissenters continue to hold out, they will almost certainly stand accused of party disloyalty. But in a roundabout way, they might be doing their fellow Republicans a huge favor.
But of course I can't believe I good conscience support such a gamble with the healthcare of 32 million+ of my fellow citizens.

Seeing Graham being a puke on TV over this legislation has wiped away any respect I'd begun to feel for him for standing up (a little) to Trump.
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But of course I can't believe I good conscience support such a gamble with the healthcare of 32 million+ of my fellow citizens.
I agree, can you imagine what social security would be if it were run by the individual states?

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Big RR wrote: I agree, can you imagine what social security would be if it were run by the individual states?
Isn't one form of that public employee retirement systems (and states can opt out of Social Security for their public employees and provide only their state retirement system), some are well run, others are under-funded, but they all have actual investments backing the retirement promises and those promises all are vastly superior benefits to Social Security.

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Not since 1986 as I recall, although there may be some grandfathering and exemption of certain senior level jobs, and I think pre 1986 workers must be covered by a social security/medicare equivalent public pension plan.

ETA: And from what I recall, before 1986 many states had agreements with the federal government to have their state employees covered by social security and medicare. They were not just told to design their own programs , even for a number of persons much smaller than the number which would be affected by this bill, but offered entry into a federal program.

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Also, many of those state systems have gone into bankruptcy, and are being managed (and funded) by the PBBC now (aka, the feds). Plus, a great many of those state pension plans are completely underfunded (which required federal law changes to funding and auditing, but they are still way underfunded).

So no, its not something the states really do that much better.
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Guinevere wrote:Plus, a great many of those state pension plans are completely underfunded (which required federal law changes to funding and auditing, but they are still way underfunded).

So no, its not something the states really do that much better.
Our illustrious governor, and good friend of that S0B Kris Kobach, has raided the public employees retirement fund to pay other state debts. This has made the state's retirement fund insolvent.
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It took Illinois 2 years to even pass a budget (and then, only after overriding the governor's veto).

I look forward to the "increased efficiency" our state will bring to health care. :evil:



ETA: Ah, yes, huge corporations never use mergers & acquisitions to get larger in the name of increased efficiency. Many's the time you hear corporate CEOs in the news declaring that their corporation has gotten too big so they're splitting it into 50 smaller companies to become more efficient. :roll:
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Guinevere wrote:Also, many of those state systems have gone into bankruptcy, and are being managed (and funded) by the PBBC now (aka, the feds). Plus, a great many of those state pension plans are completely underfunded (which required federal law changes to funding and auditing, but they are still way underfunded).

So no, its not something the states really do that much better.
That is completely inaccurate. The PBGC only deals with private pensions and has nothing to do with state systems. While state systems have their underfunding problems, to my knowledge not one has declared bankruptcy and none are being managed by the PBGC or any other federal agency (even the few cities that have declared bankruptcy have honored most of their pension obligations, but these are cities that gone in over their heads, not states). In fact, when you compare the funded status of state systems to the enormous deficit of Social Security, it is clear that states by and large have in fact done a better job than the feds in managing their respective retirement programs.

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OMG...Santorum?????

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LR--as far as I know PBCG covers state and private pensions. And, of course, saying no state pension plan has gone bankrupt is disingenuous, at best, because states cannot declare bankruptcy and the state pensions are a state obligation.

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If your objective is to defeat Graaham Cassidy, it's hard to imagine anything more bone-headed than this:
Liberals Fume About Sanders-Klobuchar Agreeing to Debate Graham-Cassidy on CNN Monday Night

(CNSNews.com) -

"All you got to do in the next week is stay focused on how terrible this Republican bill is," liberal pundit John Heilemann said Friday morning.

He and the other liberals on MSNBC's "Morning Joe," including Joe Scarborough himself, are very upset that Sens. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and Amy Klobuchar (D-Minn.) have agreed to engage in a CNN-sponsored, nationally televised health care debate with Republicans Sens. Lindsey Graham (S.C.) and Bill Cassidy (La.) this coming Monday night.

Their main objection: The debate will boil down to a choice between single-payer socialism (Sanders) and states-rights federalism (Graham-Cassidy), instead of pitting the Republican plan against the current Obamacare system.

"Let the Republicans stack this up against Obamacare," Scarborough insisted.

In that contest, federalism would win, the liberals indicated. They said Sanders is injecting an element in the debate that doesn't need to be there.

According to "Morning Joe" host Mika Brzezinski, "A Democratic source told NBC news, quote, 'This is exactly the debate Graham and Cassidy want to have. Sanders is looking out for himself, rather than being a team player.'"

Brzezinksi also quoted former Obama spokesman Tommy Vietor, who tweeted: "I'm not sure single-payer versus Graham-Cassidy is the debate we want right now."

"I cannot believe how stupid this is politically," Scarborough said. "I cannot believe that Chuck Schumer or anybody could have ever signed off on this idea where you're actually going to drive a lot of people towards Lindsey Graham's bill because you got...socialism, Medicare-for-all, which we already know it's going bankrupt; versus returning it all to the states and taking a chance."

Scarborough asked, "Do I want to go with the radical plan that I know is going to bankrupt America or the radical plan that may not bankrupt--" He did not finish the thought.

Heilemann said the whole point is to "keep the focus on how bad this Republican bill is. We can have a debate later, if you're Bernie Sanders, about the virtues of Medicare for all and single payer. You might win that debate--"

"How about after next Saturday?" Scarborough interrupted.


Republicans have until next Saturday to get at least 50 votes to pass the Graham-Cassidy health care bill. At last count, two Republicans were no (Susan Collins and Rand Paul), but two others may be wavering (John McCain and Lisa Murkowski).
https://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/su ... assidy-cnn

Sanders' decision to make a big play for his legislatively doomed single-payer plan two weeks ago played a large role in re-energizing this last gasp "repeal and replace" effort. Even if you support single-payer, what on earth was the rush to start making a big public push for it before the 1st of October, when the ability to pass "repeal and replace" under the reconciliation process 50 vote threshold is going to expire? :loon :shrug
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That's Bernie; as much as I like some of his ideas, he seems like quite the jerk many times in not engaging his brain before putting his mouth in motion.

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Big RR wrote:LR--as far as I know PBCG covers state and private pensions.
You knowledge is wrong on this one.
PBGC is a federal agency created by the Employee Retirement Income Security Act of 1974 (ERISA) to protect pension benefits in private-sector defined benefit plans - the kind that typically pay a set monthly amount at retirement. If your plan ends (this is called "plan termination") without sufficient money to pay all benefits, PBGC's insurance program will pay you the benefit provided by your pension plan up to the limits set by law. (Most people receive the full benefit they had earned before the plan terminated.) Our financing comes from insurance premiums paid by companies whose plans we protect, from our investments, from the assets of pension plans that we take over as trustee, and from recoveries from the companies formerly responsible for the plans, but not from taxes. Your plan is insured even if your employer fails to pay the required premiums.
And, of course, saying no state pension plan has gone bankrupt is disingenuous, at best, because states cannot declare bankruptcy and the state pensions are a state obligation.
And Social Security running out of money in 17 years is not the equivalent of bankruptcy? I know of no state system that will actually run out of money in 17 years. And, of course, the solution for Social Security and for the state pension systems that are in trouble is to raise taxes and reduce future benefit promises (although the federal government will go further and reduce already earned and promised benefits). Your assertion was that states, which have managed their own retirement and health programs, as well as other social service programs, for decades are not capable of running social service programs as well as the federal government. I disagreed and pointed out the obvious fact that states have done at least as good a job as the federal government by virtually any measure.

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LR--I will check on PBGC, I though it was extended to public pensions but I could be wrong.

As for social security running out of funds, lets not forget two things--it is an obligation of the federal government and is backed by the full faith and credit of the US, and the excess premiums collected are federal IOUs which can and should be called to make up or any deficit between taxes collected and what is paid out. So no, I do not see that as equivalent to bankruptcy.

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Big RR wrote:rnment and is backed by the full faith and credit of the US, and the excess premiums collected are federal IOUs which can and should be called to make up or any deficit between taxes collected and what is paid out. So no, I do not see that as equivalent to bankruptcy.
And states do the exact same thing to make up their underfunded pensions - raise taxes, cut other state services, and some are looking to issue bonds to fund their pensions (paying 3% to lenders while their pension trusts earn 6-7%). Why then do you say the states are "bankrupt" but the the federal system is not?

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Where have I said they are bankrupt? Indeed, I maintain that states cannot declare bankruptcy.

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McCain is a no:
Sen. John McCain says he cannot support Graham-Cassidy Obamacare repeal bill

Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., on Friday said he "cannot in good conscience vote for the Graham Cassidy proposal.

McCain is one of four Republican senators who have been undecided on the GOP healthcare overhaul, and his opposition dealt the bill's chances a significant blow.

Also on Friday, Sen. Susan Collins, R-Maine, said she is leaning toward voting NO on Graham Cassidy. Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul has already expressed his his opposition to the bill, which he said didn't fully repeal the Affordable Care Act.

If all three of these votes are nay votes, the bill would not pass. Republicans have until Sept. 30 to pass a health care bill with a simple majority. After that, they will need 60 votes, a nearly impossible threshold to meet.
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/22/senator ... -bill.html

I don't really know what to think of this bill from a policy standpoint, because there are so many unknowns involved with it....

Unlike a lot of folks here, as a general principle I support devolving decision-making from the federal to the state level, but I also realize that this approach is not the best one in every single case, (you couldn't "block grant" national defense, for example) and I don't really know how it would have worked here...(I think the use of the past tense is probably now appropriate...)

But from a political standpoint, it's pretty clear that the Congressional GOP have once again, thanks to a handful of holdouts, managed to dodge another bullet despite their insistence on repeatedly jumping right back in front of the gun...
Less than a quarter of voters approve of Graham-Cassidy Obamacare overhaul

Less than a quarter of registered voters said they support Senate Republicans' most recent effort to overhaul Obamacare, according to a poll released Thursday.

Just 24 percent of respondents approve of the healthcare reform amendment authored by Sens. Lindsey Graham and Bill Cassidy -- often called the "Graham-Cassidy bill" -- while 50 percent disapproved and 27 percent said they were not sure.

Fifty-four percent of respondents said they approved of the Affordable Care Act and 63 percent said they want to keep what works and fix what doesn't, while 32 percent want to repeal and "start over" with a new healthcare law.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/less- ... le/2635241

Congratulations...

That 24% represents the high-water mark of public support for any of the "repeal and replace" bills that have been put forward...(The previous two clocking in at 16 and 17 percent respectively...)

Whether the Congressional Republicans realize it or not, (and I suspect a lot more realize it than would admit it publicly) the GOP is much better off for the midterm elections without passing any of these wildly unpopular bills than they would have been had they been able to get them through...
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Right; that's why I posted the piece, the concept that letting this pass could really backfire on GOP congresscritters in the midterms - which would be great to see!

But not worth the risk, so I'm glad McCain and Collins and Murkowski and Capito are in the no column.

The GOP has already provided a great deal of material for negative campaign ads from their opponents in 2018. I'd just as soon see the legislation go through that shores up the ACA markets proposed by Collins and Nelson - or some variation thereof.

Next time we get a D in the WH, we'll move forward to Medicare for all - it seems clear that public opinion is growing rapidly in support of that solution, and the more the GOP and D parties allow the elite to become uber rich and the rest to languish, the more that opinion will grow and strengthen.
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Lord Jim wrote: Sanders' decision to make a big play for his legislatively doomed single-payer plan two weeks ago played a large role in re-energizing this last gasp "repeal and replace" effort. Even if you support single-payer, what on earth was the rush to start making a big public push for it before the 1st of October, when the ability to pass "repeal and replace" under the reconciliation process 50 vote threshold is going to expire? :loon :shrug
I think you have it backwards: The recent sign-on to Medicare-for-All by a number of likely 2020 Dem candidates was the result of the GOP once again reviving its legislatively doomed push to Repeal-and-Replace-Obamacare-With-A-Tax-Cut-for-the-Rich. As with any issue campaign, timing publicity to most effectively build momentum is critical, and Bernie & Co. are seizing the opportunity while healthcare is front and center in the electorate's consciousness. Contrasting this zombie bill to deprive tens of millions of healthcare with a goal of Medicare for all is not in the least foolish or wrongheaded or ill-timed -- especially where the current Senate bill faces opposition not only from withing the GOP but from Jimmy Kimmel. Bernie and Klobuchar talking about Medicare for all is simply not going to motivate great masses of Americans to telephone their congressional representatives demanding passage of Graham-Cassidy, a bill that virtually no one likes, outside of Graham and Cassidy (and I'm not so sure about Cassidy). If anything, it may generate at least as many (and probably more) calls to take up the Medicare-for-All legislation.

The truth is that neither bill has much chance for passing, let alone ultimately becoming law, this year. In a few months we will be into the mid-term campaign, where I expect Medicare for All will be a significant issue (to the extent serious policy issues feature in electoral campaigns anymore). And that's why you'll likely continue hearing a lot about it, as the stage is set for 2018 and, ultimately, 2020.
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Bernie and Klobuchar talking about Medicare for all is simply not going to motivate great masses of Americans to telephone their congressional representatives demanding passage of Graham-Cassidy
I'm not so sure I agree with that--yes, no one really likes this bill, but some republicans are spinning it as the only chance to avoid single payer--something also not that popular (especially among republicans and people whipped up into a fear of losing their choice of doctors, death panels, etc). While it does seems the bill is headed for defeat, the best way to defeat it is to campaign for a bipartisan bill and studied approach to reform and improve Obamacare, not to give the proponents of this bill something to whip up others to support it out of fear of something that is not likely to happen anyway (even though I'd welcome it, or at least a public option). Certainly, we can wait a few weeks to have a debate on single payer after this bill goes down in flames.

As for it being an issue in the upcoming campaign, I hope you're right, but the education about what medicare for all will and won't do will take some time.

As for Jimmy Kimmel's opposition--who really cares? no one asked Johnny Carson (or Leno, or David Letterman) his views on the issues of the day; he's entitled to his opinion (and I agree with him), but let's not forget what opinions are like (hint: everyone has one).

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