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For a large part of this morning the cable news channels focused on the ceremony for John McCain at the Capitol, and then the coverage shifted to the funeral of Aretha Franklin...

Two very different but remarkable people who in their own ways both represented the best America has to offer...

Even though their passing is a sorrowful loss for the country, I found the celebration of the lives of these two great Americans far more uplifting and far less depressing than what is usually on the news these days...

It really says something when the news coverage of a pair of funerals is less saddening than the regular day-in-day-out news... :?
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Some FANTASTIC music at the Franklin funeral...(As would be expected)

Just watched a really kick-ass rendition of Goin' Up Yonder performed by Chaka Khan...

Really had the whole church a rockin'... :ok
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Makes one wonder when Trump finally kicks the bucket what will his funeral/memorial service consist of?

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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A mariachi band.
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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That would certainly serve him right... :D
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dales wrote:Makes one wonder when Trump finally kicks the bucket what will his funeral/memorial service consist of?
The music will be either Gounod's "Funeral March of (Putin's) Marionette".....

or "Ding-Dong, The Witch Is Dead" from 'The Wizard of Oz'.
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The sad thing is that he would have a funeral worthy of an emperor; and I'd bet a lot of those who claim not to support him would go. It won't be like Scrooge with the mourners needing a free lunch; the cult of celebrity has ruled/customs that people blindly follow. We've seen it in the past, and it will happen again.

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There were so many wonderful moments in that service, but Meghan McCain stole the show. Her eulogy made me weep, especially for my own father, who’s loss is still raw, and it made me incredibly proud to be an American. My Swede commented that the right way to honor Senator McCain would be for the House to reconvene immediately after the service and pass articles of impeachment. And he’s right.

Let’s see what happens next, and if anyone attending will find their backbone after all those pointed reminders.

My fave curmudgeon, Charlie Pierce, had an excellent recounting:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/p ... l-service/

N.B. My second favorite moment was GWB slipping Michelle some mints, and Laura giving him the side eye. I read a reference to him afterwards as “the cuddliest warmonger” which fits perfectly.
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Excellent article Guin.
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Something even more striking and I believe perhaps needs to be said.
Aretha Franklin funeral eulogy slammed; pastor stands firm

JONATHAN LANDRUM Jr.,Associated Press 4 hours ago


ATLANTA (AP) — A fiery, old-school pastor who is under fire for saying black America is losing "its soul" at Aretha Franklin's funeral stands firm by his words with the hope critics can understand his perspective.

Rev. Jasper Williams Jr. told The Associated Press in a phone interview Sunday he felt his sermon was appropriate at Franklin's funeral Friday in Detroit. He felt his timing was right, especially after other speakers spoke on the civil rights movement and President Donald Trump.

"I was trying to show that the movement now is moving and should move in a different direction," he said. "...

What we need to do is create respect among ourselves. Aretha is the person with that song 'R-E-S-P-E-C-T' that is laid out for us and what we need to be as a race within ourselves. We need to show each other that. We need to show each other respect. That was the reason why I did it."

Williams, who is the pastor of Salem Bible Church in Atlanta, said his words about black women being incapable of raising sons alone were taken out of context. He described as "abortion after birth" the idea of children being raised without a "provider" father and a mother as the "nurturer."

Many thought Williams took a shot at Franklin, who was a single mother of four boys. But the pastor said a household can become stronger with two parents rather than one.

"Here's the root of what I've been talking about: In order to change America, we must change black America's culture," he said. "We must do it through parenting. In order for the parenting to go forth, it has to be done in the home. The home."


Williams also received backlash for his thoughts about the Black Lives Matter movement.

Some called Williams' eulogy a "disaster" as his speech caused an uproar on social media and in the funeral crowd, including Stevie Wonder who yelled out "Black Lives Matter" after the pastor said "No, black lives do not matter" during his sermon.

"I think Stevie Wonder did not understand what I said," Williams said. "I said blacks do not matter, because black lives cannot matter, will not matter, should not matter, must not matter until black people begin to respect their own lives. Then and only then will black lives matter. That's what I said, and again, and again, and again.

We need to have respect for each other. Once we start doing that, then we can begin to change."

Some questioned why he was chosen to honor Franklin. The pastor, who eulogized Franklin's father, minister and civil rights activist C.L. Franklin, 34 years ago, said he was appointed by the family to handle the eulogy at her funeral. The pastor said the last time he spoke with Aretha Franklin was a few months ago.

Williams was blasted on social media for misogyny, bigotry and the perpetuation of false science on race. He blamed integration and the civil rights movement for ripping the heart out of black micro-economies that once relied on black-owned small businesses such as grocery stores, hotels and banks.

Williams said he hasn't heard "one way or another" from the Franklin family, but knows about the social media criticism of him.

"I'm sure much of the negativity is due to the fact that they don't understand what I'm talking about," he said. "Anybody who thinks black America is all right as we are now is crazy. We're not all right. It's a lot of change that needs to occur. This change must come from within us. Nobody can give us things to eliminate where we are. We have to change from within ourselves. It is ludicrous for the church not to be involved. The church is the only viable institution we have in the African-American community. We must step up and turn our race around."

Even though Williams spoke for nearly 50 minutes of the eight-hour funeral, the pastor said he didn't have enough time to delve deep into his sermon. He said he will expound more on his sermon and how Franklin was originally named the "Queen of Soul" for the next two Sundays at his church.

"I think if she's immortalized, she should be immortalized," he said. "If we can turn black America around, it would be the greatest and best immortalization we could properly give to her for what she did for black America and the world when she lived."

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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On the face of it, some of what he said (and I have seen only this brief summary and did not see the service) might have been appropriate in a discussion of race relations and how we improve them. That's not trying to condone his views - I simply don't know enough about them. For example if someone objects to 'Black Lives Matter" in the context of 'All Lives Matter" I might understand the point; but I might suggest that the slogan 'BLM" does not mean, and was never intended to mean, that they do only at the exclusion of other lives. But it's an understandable point of view.

Having said that, and without diminishing Aretha Franklin's contributions to music and race/gender dynamics, her father CL Franklin was a piece of work. He may have said and done all the right things about race and labor relations back in the day and marched with Martin Luther King Jr; but he managed to father a child with a 12 year old member of his congregation. That single act manages to undo most of the good things that he did in terms of the valuation of his life.

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You may have spent all day Friday watching Aretha Franklin's funeral services on TV, but even so, you didn't get to see the procession outside.  More than 100 pink Cadillacs were there to escort the hearse from the funeral home to Greater Grace Temple in Detroit on Friday morning.  The cars were a reference to her song, "Freeway of Love," in which she sings: "We goin' ridin' on the freeway of love in my pink Cadillac."

The turnout was all thanks to Mary Kay.  National sales director Crisette Ellis asked that any employee who owns a pink Cadillac show up for Franklin's funeral service, according to the Detroit Free Press (sales representatives for the cosmetics company famously drive pink cars).  As reported by the paper, many of the Cadillacs that turned up to the service were driven by Mary Kay employees, though other pink Cadillac owners also turned up to pay homage to the Queen of Soul.

You can see many more pictures of the Cadillacs and some video, too, at Mashable.
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"We goin' ridin' on the freeway of love in my pink Cadillac."

Is it just me and my dirty mind, or is this an obvious and not very subtle sexual euphemism? As, for example, 'Jelly Roll' Morton was not named so because of his predilection for Little Debbie cakes.

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Ya think? ;)
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