It's about damned time

[TPFKA@W]

https://campusreform.org/article?id=16497

Rep. Tulsi Gabbard (D-Hawaii) introduced legislation to ban biological males from participating in women’s sports.

Gabbard, a Democrat who ran for the 2020 presidential nomination for her party, is the sponsor of H.R. 8932, the “Protect Women’s Sports Act,” alongside Reps. Markwayne Mullin, (R-Okla.), Bill Flores (R-Texas), Bill Johnson (R-Ohio), Rep. Alexander Mooney (R-W.V.), and Rep. Jeff Duncan (R-S.C.).

The legislation aims “to provide that for purposes of determining compliance with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 in athletics, sex shall be determined on the basis of biological sex as determined at birth by a physician.”

In a joint press release with Mullin, Gabbard explained that Title IX “led to a generational shift that impacted countless women, creating life-changing opportunities for girls and women that never existed before.”

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“However, Title IX is being weakened by some states who are misinterpreting Title IX, creating uncertainty, undue hardship and lost opportunities for female athletes,” continued the congresswoman from Hawaii. “Our legislation protects Title IX’s original intent which was based on the general biological distinction between men and women athletes based on sex.”

“It is critical that the legacy of Title IX continues to ensure women and girls in sports have the opportunity to compete and excel on a level playing field,” she added.

Mullin added that “Title IX was designed to give women and girls an equal chance to succeed, including in sports. Allowing biological males to compete in women’s sports diminishes that equality and takes away from the original intent of Title IX.”

Title IX exists to ensure that “no person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance,” according to the U.S. Department of Education.

The Trump administration reversed Obama-era Title IX rules related to protecting due process for those accused of sexual assault in the summer of 2020, as Campus Reform previously reported.

Emilie Kao, director of the Heritage Foundation’s DeVos Center for Religion and Civil Society, told Campus Reform that "Rep. Gabbard took a courageous stand for fairness and female athletes around the country.”

“Biology matters in many areas,” she explained. “It matters in sports because it determines competitiveness, performance, and results. There is widespread bipartisan support for keeping male and female sports separate. Americans know that the law should protect fair competition by acknowledging the reality of sex differences."



Campus Reform reached out to Gabbard’s office for comment; this article will be updated accordingly.

[Joe Guy]

Would that mean that Kaitlyn Jenner wouldn't be allowed to compete in the Miss America competition?

[Burning Petard]

This is one more piece of 'common sense' legislation that falls into sheer prejudice or ignorance on examination.

'The legislation aims “to provide that for purposes of determining compliance with Title IX of the Education Amendments of 1972 in athletics, sex shall be determined on the basis of biological sex as determined at birth by a physician.” '

There is lots of evidence that the physician attending birth is making this decision on very sparse and superficial information. OK, most of the time it is easy. But some of the time it is not and that is where it all falls apart.

IMNSHO, at this time the only way (if such determination MUST be binary) is to base it on the X and Y genes: one of each and it is male. Both XX and it is female.But that still leaves undetermined when it is XXY or YYX. And probably other variations I know nothing about. Lets face it, in this universe, reality is not binary.

snailgate.

[Bicycle Bill]

IMNSHO, at this time the only way (if such determination MUST be binary) is to base it on the X and Y genes: one of each and it is male. Both XX and it is female.But that still leaves undetermined when it is XXY or YYX. And probably other variations I know nothing about. Lets face it, in this universe, reality is not binary.

snailgate.

I won't argue that triple-chromosome thing with you; leave that for the scientists.  The same with people who claim that they are 'females in a male body', or 'gender-fluid' ... leave that for the psychiatrists and the psychotherapists.

What Rep. Gabbard is saying is that a castrated male, possessed of the usual XY chromosome mixture, is not a woman and should not be considered a woman when it comes to participation in sports.  Simple as that.

-"BB"-

[Scooter]

So after national and international sport federations have had the accommodation of gender identity in sport figured out for decades, some knuckle draggers who figure that beating up on trans athletes will be a vote getter come up with this bullshit.

[TPFKA@W]

Figured out! It’s absolutely BS that someone who is biologically male would ever be allowed to compete against biological females. It makes zero sense.

[Joe Guy]

Maybe they should compromise and allow former males to compete in women’s sports but only if they wear high heels.

[Gob]

Look, juts to save argument, just remove all gender qualifications from sport. Everyone competes on an equal basis, no "men's" or "women's" teams or events.

[Burning Petard]

@W, as Scooter says above, the various international sports organizations have figured it out. The physician in the delivery room, filling out form on a computer terminal in that room, is ill equipped to make that binary gender call. Most of the time it is ok. Later a few instances are found to be not so clearly binary and those few cases are the source of trouble.

as BB says above: "What Rep. Gabbard is saying is that a castrated male, possessed of the usual XY chromosome mixture, is not a woman and should not be considered a woman when it comes to participation in sports. Simple as that."

But in the moments after a delivery that information IS NOT AVAILABLE. The birth certificate is filled out with a binary determination of sex/gender and that settles it, according to the proposed law. Unhappily the law cares little for science. Most 'scientific' disputes in the court room are settled by a debate between two advocates for the extreme positions, with dubious scientific expertise and carefully refereed so neither directly questions the other expert.. Those 'experts' are chosen for their ability to persuade jury members who are carefully selected for their ignorance. Science, by definition deals with approximations and ambiguity. Lawyers and law makers prefer binary absolutes. Until the politician is in the court room. Then they want things chock full of fuzzy definitions and no logic.

snailgate.

[MajGenl.Meade]

Maybe they should compromise and allow former males to compete in women’s sports but only if they wear high heels.

Dammit, what about the swimsuit competition?

[Burning Petard]

That part of the Miss America Pageant did puzzle me. How did all those young ladies in very high heals run across the sandy beach to get to the ocean?

snailgate

[ex-khobar Andy]

From BB's post:

What Rep. Gabbard is saying is that a castrated male, possessed of the usual XY chromosome mixture, is not a woman and should not be considered a woman when it comes to participation in sports.

Castration of a male does not change his chromosomes.

Castration of a male does not change the fact that he is a male.

I was not aware that castrated males were trying to compete as females under NCAA or Olympic rules.

Straw man. Or maybe paper tiger.

[Bicycle Bill]

From BB's post:

What Rep. Gabbard is saying is that a castrated male, possessed of the usual XY chromosome mixture, is not a woman and should not be considered a woman when it comes to participation in sports.

Castration of a male does not change his chromosomes.

Castration of a male does not change the fact that he is a male.

I was not aware that castrated males were trying to compete as females under NCAA or Olympic rules.

Straw man. Or maybe paper tiger.

I'm sure a quick Google search would give me the names (either their real names or their made-up ones) of men who are now claiming they are trans-gender and trying to compete as women in various competitions — usually ones where the endurance and strength that they still possess as biologic males will give them an advantage (if there are any transgender females flopping around on the balance beam or the uneven parallel bars, I am blissfully unaware of them) — but I'm watching the Packer game while I'm typing this so I'll let you expend the time to do that.

As far as my statement about 'castrated males':
If you intentionally cut off your dick and balls and construct a make-believe pussy (and some trans-genders have done so), that's castration.

If you leave them intact but take massive amounts of estrogen to offset the effects of the male hormone testosterone, that's a form of chemical castration.

If you're one of those who do a combination of both — they're still walking around with their tally-whacker between their legs and a fine pair of silicone boobs on their chest, are maybe taking the hormones to get that fine mane of hair (and to hold back the five o'clock shadow), and insist that you call them 'Michelle' instead of 'Michael' — then you're just a cross-dresser trying to pass as a female.

In whatever case, regardless of the level — Olympics, pro sports, NCAA, Little League Baseball, or even as low as high-school athletics — just stay the hell off the same sports fields my biologically-defined nieces are playing on.

-"BB"-

[Scooter]

either their real names or their made-up ones

men who are now claiming they are trans-gender and trying to compete as women

Is there any way you could show yourself to be more of a slope headed cave dweller?

[MajGenl.Meade]

I gave up competing as a woman. They all left me in the dust

[Gob]

I gave up competing with women,

[Bicycle Bill]

either their real names or their made-up ones

men who are now claiming they are trans-gender and trying to compete as women

Is there any way you could show yourself to be more of a slope headed cave dweller?

Is there any way you could more clearly show that those harsh Canadian winters have frozen your brain?

May I present to you one Lindsay Hecox?



This person is transgender, 'came out' (if that's the term) after graduating from high school, and is challenging Idaho's "Fairness in Women’s Sports Act", seeking to become eligible for the women’s cross-country team at Boise State University.

As for other levels, the Tokyo Olympics (postponed to 2021 because of the coronavirus pandemic) could feature transgender women such as BMX freestyle rider Chelsea Wolfe of the United States, volleyball player Tifanny Abreu of Brazil, and weight lifter Laurel Hubbard of New Zealand.

And consider this:  At puberty, male athletes generally gain physiological advantages for many sports, like a larger skeletal structure, greater muscle mass and strength, less body fat, greater bone density, larger hearts, and greater oxygen-carrying capacity.  As a result, men and women mostly compete in separate divisions.  At issue for scientists and sports officials is if — and if so, how much — testosterone-suppression regimens reduce those advantages — although I will take this opportunity to remind you that more than one elite cyclist has been disqualified and had his palmares stripped from him because of anti-doping tests which found elevated testosterone levels.  So it seems pretty certain that having a supply of testosterone when other competitors do not must be of SOME sort of advantage.

May I also show you one Caitlin Jenner?


Back when this person was destroying Olympic decathlon records under the name of 'Bruce' (shown on the right), he married not one, not two, but THREE different women over a period of thirty-plus years, fathering a total of six children — including three sons, Burt, Brandon, and Sam, which means that he was definitely in possession of 'Y' chromosomes and contributing the same to the genetic makeup of his offspring.  Hell, he even posed as a cover model for 'Playgirl' magazine in May 1982!!  But then — after THREE marriages and six kids — he decided he was a female in a man's body???   Puh-leez, gimme a break here!!

And you can take that recording of "I Enjoy Being a Girl" off of the playlist.  As an aside, there are reports now that, after five or so years as 'Caitlyn', he's thinking of reverting back to being 'male' again.  Guess it's a case of "tried it, didn't like it", eh?

-"BB"-

[Scooter]

[Jarlaxle]

Look, juts to save argument, just remove all gender qualifications from sport. Everyone competes on an equal basis, no "men's" or "women's" teams or events.

No, that would never be acceptable!