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GAZA/JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli air strikes shook the Gaza Strip and Palestinian rockets struck across the border as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton held talks in Jerusalem in the early hours of Wednesday, seeking a truce that can hold back Israel's ground troops.

Egypt's new Islamist government is mediating talks and had floated hopes for a ceasefire by late Tuesday between Israel and Hamas, the Islamist movement controlling Gaza. However, by the time Clinton met Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, it was clear there would be more argument, and more violence, first.

Hamas leaders in Cairo accused the Jewish state of failing to respond to proposals and said an announcement on holding fire would not come before daylight on Wednesday. Israel Radio quoted an Israeli official saying a truce was held up due to "a last-minute delay in the understandings between Hamas and Israel."

An initial halt to attacks may, however, not see the sides stand their forces down from battle stations immediately. Clinton, who flies to Cairo to see Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi later on Wednesday, spoke of a deal "in the days ahead."
http://news.yahoo.com/gaza-shakes-israe ... 06371.html

I was very skeptical of all the reports of a deal having been reached and a ceasefire being imminent for two reasons....

First, none of these reports seemed to ever quote any authoritative agreement from the Israelis...Only pronouncements from Morsi and Hamas asserting that an agreement had been reached, which many in the press then reported as though these claims represented an established fact....

Second, the almost comical disconnect between the media claims and the real time unfolding events on the ground....

At one point yesterday, I saw a headline on Yahoo News that read "Momentum For Ceasefire Grows" while at the exact same time CNN was showing live footage of rockets being fired from, and bombs being dropped in, Gaza City....(This was a number of hours after the time Hamas had set for ending the rocket attacks)
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Well this will certainly help matters:
Amid Gaza diplomacy, bus bomb hits Tel Aviv

TEL AVIV, Israel (AP) — A bomb struck an Israeli bus near the nation's military headquarters in Tel Aviv on Wednesday, wounding 10 people and complicating major diplomatic efforts to forge a truce between Israel and Gaza's militant Hamas rulers.

The attack came as U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton shuttled between Jerusalem and the West Bank to help piece together a deal to end Israel's weeklong offensive against Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip that has killed more than 130 Palestinians. Militant rocket fire into Israel has killed five Israelis. Clinton was due to travel later to Egypt, which is mediating in the crisis.

"What does it say about the future of the (truce) talks? I leave it to (the senior officials), but this doesn't add anything," Yitzhak Aharonovich, Israel's minister of internal security, told Army Radio.
http://news.yahoo.com/amid-gaza-diploma ... 29349.html

It looks to me like the Obama Administration was also taken in by the overly optimistic "Peace is at hand" rhetoric....

I don't believe that when Clinton was sent, the expectation was that she'd find herself having to engage in shuttle diplomacy to try to hammer out a ceasefire deal...

Given the timing, I believe the plan was for her to be able to show up after a deal was in place to be able to take some of the credit on behalf of the Administration, without really having had to do any of the politically risky heavy lifting....

But now that she's there, US prestige is engaged, and the pressure is really on to get some results....

Having sent the Secretary Of State into this, if she leaves with missiles still being fired and bombs still dropping, it will look like a failure for US diplomacy...(If she hadn't gone, that impression could have been avoided.)
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Your first post that we should expect bad news A or bad news B out of this, seems inevitable.

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Well, yet again they have supposedly reached an agreement for a cease-fire, (Clinton and the Egyptian Foreign Minister announced it; still nothing official from anybody on the Israeli side, but I can't believe Clinton would have gone out on limb like this without their agreement.)

It supposedly goes into affect in about an hour, so I guess we'll see....
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One hour until peace in the middle east. WOOOO HOOO!!!
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It looks like one additional piece to this (that wasn't present earlier) may involve the US providing some kind involvement with the Egyptians to prevent weapon smuggling into Gaza:

By Associated Press, Updated: Wednesday, November 21, 9:55 AM

WASHINGTON — President Barack Obama is hailing a ceasefire agreement to end a week of fighting between Israel and Hamas militants in the Gaza Strip.

The White House says Obama talked to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu Wednesday and commended him for agreeing to the Egyptian ceasefire proposal, which the Obama had recommended the prime minister accept.

The deal would end a week of fighting that has killed more than 140 Palestinians and five Israelis.

The White House says the United States will use the opportunity offered by a ceasefire to intensify efforts to help Israel address its security needs, especially the smuggling of weapons and explosives into Gaza.

Obama also said he would seek more money for the Iron Dome defense system that has protected Israel from rocket attacks.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ ... story.html
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Headline

from the "No shit Sherlock" files:

Gaza ceasefire takes hold but mistrust runs deep
Okay... There's all kinds of things wrong with what you just said.

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In other news: WATER IS WET.

Your collective inability to acknowledge this obvious truth makes you all look like fools.


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The big surprise is the role played by the new Egyptian president in negotiating the cease fire.

Information is still being developed but I am very surprised that someone who refuses to say the name of Israel or even to talk directly with an Israeli leader and the man who was backed by the Muslim Brotherhood* could have played such a role. I was afraid that one effect of the Arab spring, the spread of democratic governments in the Islamic world, would be to entrench anti-Israeli sentiment as the one principle certain to gain popular support.

I understand that relaxation of the blockade is one element of the C-F.


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* parent organization of Hamas.

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And he has since claimed more dictatorial powers. Democracy? I think not.

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