liberals want to destroy the only economic salvation

[oldr_n_wsr]

Now that water doesn't just up and vanish. What needs to be found out is how much of it is usable after being used for fraking.

I powerwash my house and while I may use 100 gallons (or whatever) those 100 gallons, while not useable immediately after powerwashing the house, do seep back into the ground. In some amount of years it goes back into the water table and becomes usable after the soil filters the dirt and grime I washed off my house.

Another thing to wonder is, if the water is not usable after fraking, is it possible to take some of the contaminated water we have in the shallow water table (here on LI and elsewhere) and use that crappy water for fraking. Gets rid of the contaminated water (no more further contamination of the rest of the water supply) and fraking doesn't waste "good" water.

[Lord Jim]

That's a really good example of how statistics can be taken without context to give a false impression...

The amount of water used each year for hydraulic fracturing at Colorado oil and gas drilling sites is enough to supply 166,000 to 296,000 people for a year for household use,

Gee whiz, that sounds like a whole lot of water doesn't it?

Until you put it in context:

The Colorado Oil and Gas Association estimates the industry will use 6.5 trillion gallons [that sounds like a lot of water too] this year -- just over one-tenth of a percent of total water use in the state.

http://www.dailycamera.com/energy/ci_20 ... ould-serve

And to create even more context, the next logical questions to ask would be:

How much power is created by that one tenth of one per cent water investment?

How efficient is the use of that resource versus other approaches that could be taken? (meaning other approaches that could create a comparable amount of energy within a reasonable timeline...not "well, if we spent hundreds of billions on windmills, 30 years from now they might provide 10% of our energy needs" kind of stuff....)

How many jobs are being created by this whole new industry that didn't even exist a few years ago, and what contribution is that making to the equation?

I can think of other questions that ought to be asked...

[Econoline]

Again I ask: why should hydrofracking be exempt from the Safe Drinking Water Act, a law that every other American business has to comply with?

And shouldn't the questions that oldr raises be answered NOW, rather than years later, after it's too late to do something about it?

Are people really so cavalier about our water supply? Well, I live on the shore of one-fifth of the world's fresh surface water; I hope the rest of you don't expect any of our water when your water's gone. Maybe you can buy bottled water from China.

[liberty]

Again I ask: why should hydrofracking be exempt from the Safe Drinking Water Act, a law that every other American business has to comply with?

And shouldn't the questions that oldr raises be answered NOW, rather than years later, after it's too late to do something about it?

Are people really so cavalier about our water supply? Well, I live on the shore of one-fifth of the world's fresh surface water; I hope the rest of you don't expect any of our water when your water's gone. Maybe you can buy bottled water from China.

I wouldn’t drink bottle water from China.

[Lord Jim]

Maybe you can buy bottled water from China.

I've been suggesting the same thing to Southern California for years...

Keep your grubby surfer dude hands off our High Sierra snow melt!

[Long Run]

Keep your grubby surfer dude hands off our High Sierra snow melt!

San Francisco already stole that water fair and square!

[rubato]

Again I ask: why should hydrofracking be exempt from the Safe Drinking Water Act, a law that every other American business has to comply with?

And shouldn't the questions that oldr raises be answered NOW, rather than years later, after it's too late to do something about it?

Are people really so cavalier about our water supply? Well, I live on the shore of one-fifth of the world's fresh surface water; I hope the rest of you don't expect any of our water when your water's gone. Maybe you can buy bottled water from China.

Exactly the right question.

Why should all of the rest of the country be screwed just to give more money to the oil and gas business?

It isn't only the waste water which is generated but also the ongoing harm from gas infusing groundwater supplies.

yrs,
rubato

[rubato]

Keep your grubby surfer dude hands off our High Sierra snow melt!

San Francisco already stole that water fair and square!

But, thoughtfully, they waited until the original owners were nearly all killed off.

yrs,
rubato

[Lord Jim]

I have to say, I have never known what "hard water" is...

We didn't have that in Northern Virginia, we didn't have it in Charlottesville, we didn't even have it in Miami...

(I understand that "New Yorkers" have issues with it...)

But that's as it may be...

The one thing I can say for this place, is that this town has got the best water I have ever tasted...

The water here is so good, I could go into business selling San Francisco Water just filling up plastic bottles from my tap, and selling it...

Now who would possibly try to screw this up?

Well, the San Francisco Board Of Supervisors, that's who...

In their infinite stupidity, they tried to get the voters of San Francisco to vote against this marvelous elixer...

(The Hetch Hetchy Reservoir of course...Even in San Francisco, there's a limit to how much stupidity that can be tolerated...)

They put an initiative on the ballot, to eliminate the Hetch Hetchy Reservoir and then asked the voters of San Francisco to vote in favor of eliminating the best drinking water in the country....

And they failed..

Score one for the good guys...

[Gob]

I have to say, I have never known what "hard water" is...

Ice.

[Lord Jim]

I have to say, I have never known what "hard water" is...

Ice.

Well, that would be my definition...

But I understand there's something called "hard water" that is so bad, that after you take a shower you have to take another shower, just to get it off you...

[Lord Jim]

But, thoughtfully, they waited until the original owners were nearly all killed off.

yrs,
rubato

When I see something like that...

It's...its...its.. so fundamentally offensive....

It makes my eyebrows ache.....

[rubato]

Now that water doesn't just up and vanish. What needs to be found out is how much of it is usable after being used for fraking.

... "

The water used could be cleaned up and thus the volume of harmful material reduced but the industry wants to externalize their costs to you, because they can.

And BushCo said they did not have to tell anyone what the contaminants are, so none of us can protect ourselves, or the landscape, by testing.


yrs,
rubato

[oldr_n_wsr]

And BushCo said they did not have to tell anyone what the contaminants are, so none of us can protect ourselves, or the landscape, by testing.

Can't ObamaCo reverse that?

[rubato]

And BushCo said they did not have to tell anyone what the contaminants are, so none of us can protect ourselves, or the landscape, by testing.

Can't ObamaCo reverse that?

Bush controlled both houses and the WH. Obama has the senate, but less than enough to stop the party who have used the filibuster more often than any in history from blocking legislation from coming to the floor, and not the House.

So the evil done by BushCo cannot be undone as easily as it was done. And we have the toxic effects of thousands of unregulated well drillings to deal with now.

When I send a 30ml bottle of a chemical to our other site 3 miles away I have to give documents to the person carrying it telling what's in it. And when we're done we have to pay to have it incinerated (even though most of our materials are benign).

yrs,
rubato

[oldr_n_wsr]

So the evil done by BushCo cannot be undone as easily as it was done.

We don't do things because they are easy, we do them because they are hard.
If it needs to be done, then there is a way to do it. Having something that is difficult to do is no excuse for not doing it.

I have many electronic designs under my belt that were hard and difficult, but that's what made them a challenge and made me more determined to make them happen. The easy ones, I was not as engaged nor as determined to see them through. If the Pres of the USA is only going to do the easy things, then he is less than worthless.

[Guinevere]

Maybe you can buy bottled water from China.

I've been suggesting the same thing to Southern California for years...

Keep your grubby surfer dude hands off our High Sierra snow melt!

If you want fresh raspberries in January, you'll let them have the water.

Of course, that is a boondoogle of a whole different color and scale.

[Guinevere]

Now that water doesn't just up and vanish. What needs to be found out is how much of it is usable after being used for fraking.

I powerwash my house and while I may use 100 gallons (or whatever) those 100 gallons, while not useable immediately after powerwashing the house, do seep back into the ground. In some amount of years it goes back into the water table and becomes usable after the soil filters the dirt and grime I washed off my house.

Another thing to wonder is, if the water is not usable after fraking, is it possible to take some of the contaminated water we have in the shallow water table (here on LI and elsewhere) and use that crappy water for fraking. Gets rid of the contaminated water (no more further contamination of the rest of the water supply) and fraking doesn't waste "good" water.

Some of it is consumed in the process, some of it is runs into the soil and refreshes the water table, eventually. Most of it runs into public sewers, is treated, and discharged, where it may or may no refresh the water table.

But believe me, more and more of it is being consumed. Econo's huge freshwater lake isn't going to be enough to save us all.

[Rick]

Again I ask: why should hydrofracking be exempt from the Safe Drinking Water Act, a law that every other American business has to comply with?

Actually this is not necessarily true hydrofracking falls under Underground Injection Control.

Veiw here

[Crackpot]

Now that water doesn't just up and vanish. What needs to be found out is how much of it is usable after being used for fraking.

I powerwash my house and while I may use 100 gallons (or whatever) those 100 gallons, while not useable immediately after powerwashing the house, do seep back into the ground. In some amount of years it goes back into the water table and becomes usable after the soil filters the dirt and grime I washed off my house.

Another thing to wonder is, if the water is not usable after fraking, is it possible to take some of the contaminated water we have in the shallow water table (here on LI and elsewhere) and use that crappy water for fraking. Gets rid of the contaminated water (no more further contamination of the rest of the water supply) and fraking doesn't waste "good" water.

Some of it is consumed in the process, some of it is runs into the soil and refreshes the water table, eventually. Most of it runs into public sewers, is treated, and discharged, where it may or may no refresh the water table.

But believe me, more and more of it is being consumed. Econo's huge freshwater lake isn't going to be enough to save us all.

There are 5 lakes thatEcono is talking about (6 if you count Lake St. Clair) Econ doesn't live of of Lake Baikal after all.