bigskygal wrote:"...
I'm not sure about all the others, but I can tell you that every one of them has a convenience store and/or bar right at the edge of the Rez, only too willing to push alcohol on the Indians.
I expect its the same on the edge of most 'dry' counties too.
bigskygal wrote:"...
By the way, if you look in the north central of that map, you'll see where I live - just a wee bit north of Rocky Boy's Rez. I extend a warm welcome to any of you to come visit and see this achingly beautiful Last Best Place for yourself!
I'll take you out for a beer. In Butte, we can walk from bar to bar with beer in hand. Montana is a drinking culture - which would be okay except we have the highest DUI fatality rate in the nation, twice the national average.
My wife did a 6-week rotation on the Ft. Belknap reservation with Indian Health in her last year of Med. School. Loved the Indian women and liked the place a lot.
The owner of Britain’s last surviving temperance bar has been banned from driving for 17 months after he admitted drink driving.
Christopher James Law, 52, who owns the 120-year-old Fitzpatrick’s bar in Rawtenstall, Lancashire, pleaded guilty to the charge at Burnley Magistrates’ Court. Temperance bars originated in Lancashire in the late 19th century. They advocated abstinence from alcohol, often asked their patrons to sign a no-booze pledge and renounce the demon drink. They were also the first outlet for Vimto in the early 20th century.
Police in Burnley found Mr Law to be almost twice the legal limit when they stopped him at around 2.30am in Centenary Way, Burnley, on November 7. Officers found 67 microgrammes of alcohol in 100 millilitres of breath — the legal limit is 35 microgrammes. He had no previous endorsments on his licence, and was fined £110 and ordered to pay court costs of £85 and a £20 victim surcharge.
He bought Fitzpatrick’s bar in Bank Street after a 20-year career as a pipe fitter.
The bar has been has been selling remedies and non-alcoholic drinks such as sarsaparilla and dandelion and burdock since 1890, and they also sell pottery barrels containing blackbeer and raisin, ginger beer, cream soda, lemon and ginger and blood tonic.
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Temperance bars originated in Lancashire in the late 19th century. They advocated abstinence from alcohol, often asked their patrons to sign a no-booze pledge and renounce the demon drink.
Okay, I've got some really bad conceptual cognitive dissonance problems with this......
A "Temperance bar"...where, "they advocated abstinence from alcohol"...
Wouldn't that be rather like a strip joint, where they advocated "abstinence from looking at young women with their clothes off"....?...
To me, the amazing thing here is not that the last one of these establishments is closing...
No, the amazing thing here is that places like this could have made enough money to stay in business in the first place....
"Temperance bar"...
Doesn't sound like a sure fire, can't miss business plan to me....
Well in the USA they probably would bung a few quack pills on the shelf and call it something catchy like oh... "General Nutrition" or "GNC" or similar.
I'm amazed that there is a product called VIMTO that I've never heard of. Lucozade and Ribena - yes. Vimto?
From wiki
Vimto is a soft drink originating from the United Kingdom. It was first manufactured as a health tonic in cordial form, then decades later as a carbonated drink. It contains the juice of grapes, raspberries and blackcurrants (in a 3% concentration), flavoured with herbs and spices. The original recipe was invented in 1908 by (John) Noel Nichols.
Vimto has also been made into a sweet and an ice lolly. It is available both as 'packaged goods' - i.e., in cans and bottles via retail outlets—or as a dispensed soft drink—i.e., a draught drink in pubs, clubs and restaurants.
Vimto has acquired cult status amongst its consumers, and celebrated its 100th anniversary in 2008.
(Nichols) saw the market opening for soft drinks due to the temperance movement and the passage of the 1908 Licensing Act. It was originally sold under the name Vim Tonic, which Nichols shortened to Vimto in 1912. Vimto was originally registered as a health tonic or medicine, which was then re-registered in 1913 as a cordial
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
You never had Vimto Meade? Damn, you've been living in a third world country too long and then you went and moved to Africa!
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
Well Lancashire. . . . . of course no one from a civilized part of the country* has heard of Vimto. Sounds like a foot disease caused by excessive bathtub cleaning.
Meade
*defined as all territory within a line drawn from Luton to Kew Gardens via Stratford and Streatham Hill
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
MajGenl.Meade wrote:Well Lancashire. . . . . of course no one from a civilized part of the country* has heard of Vimto. Sounds like a foot disease caused by excessive bathtub cleaning.
Meade
*defined as all territory within a line drawn from Luton to Kew Gardens via Stratford and Streatham Hill
For Christianity, by identifying truth with faith, must teach-and, properly understood, does teach-that any interference with the truth is immoral. A Christian with faith has nothing to fear from the facts
“If you trust in yourself, and believe in your dreams, and follow your star. . . you'll still get beaten by people who spent their time working hard and learning things and weren't so lazy.”
