Tobacco free for eleven years today

[Gob]

The most rabid anti smokers seem to be former smokers.

That's me. The way I stop smoking is to recognise all the bad in it and turn Nazi on it.

[Sean]

I sometimes pretend to be a smoking nazi to annoy people. Does that count?

[Gob]

No, that's just you being an arse. :

[oldr_n_wsr]

The most rabid anti smokers seem to be former smokers.

That's me. The way I stop smoking is to recognise all the bad in it and turn Nazi on it.

And those are people I purposely smoke around and make sure it's in their face.

[rubato]

Making smoking outdoors in public illegal cut the rate of strokes and heart attacks amoung non-smokers by quite a lot. I was surprised. Are you sure you want to brag about assaulting people?

yrs,
rubato

[Big RR]

rubato--Smoking outdoors? Or smoking indoors but in public (like in a bar). I have seen evidence of the latter; if the former do you have a link to a study?

Oldr--I hope you are being facetious; assholes like the anti-smoking nazis probably deserve being taken to task, but blowing smoke their faces is not the way to do it. Ignoring or (especially) making fun of them works much better. As was said in the movies "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean", the only thing worse than a whore is a reformed whore.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Making smoking outdoors in public illegal cut the rate of strokes and heart attacks amoung non-smokers by quite a lot.

Got some figures for that? Since the stoppage of outdoor smoking is a pretty recent ruling, I'm surprised that the data gathered can even be correllated.

I was surprised. Are you sure you want to brag about assaulting people?

yrs,
rubato

Assault them? no less than their "holier than thou" assault on me. Case in point, I'm enjoying a smoke, away from anyone and well outside the no smoking "zone" around a building and some smoking nazi walks by. She says something (and I'm paraphrasing) "Do you have to do that here?". I said "No I don't but for 10 minutes it was a nice place to be but since you showed up it seems like hell".
Now I was nowhere on any path/sidewalk/alleyway nor road. I was by a tree, on the grass a good 20 feet from said path. I was not by a doorway smoking up the entrance nor on any direct path to said entrance. So, if I am able to smoke outside of the "quarantine zone", she can just walk on by without a word. If not, then I get to say my piece also. And if smoke happens to get in her face, all the better. She stopped to say something. Had she not stopped, she would have had a momentary wiff of smoke OR she could have seen me smoking and taken a different path maybe adding two steps to her route (which she could have used as she was a littel overweight).

If I choose to assault someone, it will be final.

[oldr_n_wsr]

rubato--Smoking outdoors? Or smoking indoors but in public (like in a bar). I have seen evidence of the latter; if the former do you have a link to a study?

Oldr--I hope you are being facetious; assholes like the anti-smoking nazis probably deserve being taken to task, but blowing smoke their faces is not the way to do it. Ignoring or (especially) making fun of them works much better. As was said in the movies "The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean", the only thing worse than a whore is a reformed whore.

Sorry you posted while I was composing and doing other things.
I am not a vindictive person, but every once in a while, there are people who do need to be taken to task. (is that the expression?) So, while I have blown smoke in peoples faces, it was only after they offered their opinion and were wrong in the place they did offer their opinion. I try to be a polite smoker. Even if smoking is allowed right outside the doors, I will go to my car (well out in the parking lot) and smoke their. I may be leaning on my bumper or walking around nearby. Usually I try to find a spot well away from foot traffic. But there is no pleasing some people and they need to have some "come-upance" (???)

[Big RR]

Oldr--I can understand that--they were in your face so you got in their's. Not necessarily right, but understandable.

[Joe Guy]

I was smoke free even when I smoked.

All I ever smoked was free cigarettes. I would occasionally be given cigarettes when in a group of smokers and I would smoke.

Never liked them much though.

[dales]

[Joe Guy]

Those cigarette manufacturers sure were good at tv marketing. I can still remember many advertisements from when I was a child.

Have a real cigarette, have a ________.

A silly millimeter longer. ____________

LSMFT. __________________

__________ Country. dunt dunt du dunt... du du du du du dunt.... (that's the tune in the background)

__________ tastes good like a cigarette should.

[Big RR]

they were good at it indeed. I recall playing a game when I was young (probably 6 or 7) called "cigarette tag", where you could avoid being tagged by the person who was "it" by calling out a brand of cigarettes not called before by anyone else. We knew them all and could play for a long time before the repeats happened.

[Lord Jim]

Making smoking outdoors in public illegal cut the rate of strokes and heart attacks amoung non-smokers by quite a lot.


Got some figures for that? Since the stoppage of outdoor smoking is a pretty recent ruling, I'm surprised that the data gathered can even be correllated.

Of course he doesn't. Talking out his butt again....(Rube has repeatedly demonstrated serious "isolate the variable" issues...he either flat-out doesn't understand the concept, or he simply doesn't have enough respect for scientific methodology to care about it if it gets in the way of his pre-determined conclusions)

In fairness, it's difficult imagine what good data on something like that would even look like. I don't think it's the sort of thing where good numbers could even be compiled, since it would be virtually impossible to isolate all the environmental factors, (to say nothing of pre-existing health conditions)

But that doesn't mean people with an ideological axe to grind won't claim to have done it.....

Every bit of so called "data" I've ever seen that has been used to generate the astronomical projections on the supposed numbers of deaths caused by "second hand smoke" has been nothing but ideologically driven junk science using completely unsound methodologies. (The sort of thing that's right up rube's street)

How much more ludicrous and invalid would a claim about lives supposedly saved in a completely open air environment be?

[Gob]

Second hand smoke may not be a health hazard, the stink of smokers is.

[Guinevere]

You mean this kind of junk science, from the CDC?

http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_inform ... /index.htm

Findings in the report indicate that there is about a 25 to 30 percent increase in the risk of coronary heart disease from exposure to secondhand smoke. These findings agree with the 2006 Surgeon General's Report conclusion that there are increased risks of coronary heart disease morbidity and mortality among men and women exposed to secondhand smoke.

[Lord Jim]

I'm sure second hand smoke is not good for you...(neither is standing on street corner with bumper to bumper traffic inhaling exhaust fumes)

We just don't have any good data on what the extent of the health damage is, or what levels of concentration of smoke does what kind of damage, or how long or regular the exposure has to be to represent any significant health risk, etc.

[Lord Jim]

Findings in the report indicate that there is about a 25 to 30 percent increase in the risk of coronary heart disease from exposure to secondhand smoke.

Well unless that report contains answers to questions like these:

1.What exactly is is it that they are measuring that they are calling "second hand smoke"?
2.What concentrations of gases from "second hand smoke" are they measuring?
3.What sort of exposure times are they working with?
4.What methodology did they use to isolate "second hand smoke" as the cause for this increase?

There are a number of others...

But yes, unless the study has good answers to those sorts of questions, then it's junk science and the claims are specious, no matter what the source.

[Rick]

Editec...

[Guinevere]

Ha!