More UK Idiocy

[dales]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... amped.html

'Scandalous': Mother-of-11 Heather Frost (pictured) is having a six-bed 'mansion' built for her by the council because she can't cope in her current home




With six bedrooms, three bathrooms, a huge kitchen and the very latest in energy-saving eco-friendly design, it is a house that a great many of us would be very happy to buy and move into.

We’d probably be even happier – and perhaps a little humbled – if it was being specifically built for us and paid for by the taxpayer.

But not Heather Frost.


Far from simply being grateful for her good fortune, the jobless mother of 11 says that if she doesn’t like the house she’ll just tell the council to build her another one.

She is due to move into the property – valued at £400,000 – in July after ‘struggling’ to survive in two adjacent houses in Churchdown, Gloucestershire, which have been joined together by the council.



Her new home will slash water and energy bills with its modern design using natural, locally-sourced materials. Extra large windows will fill it with natural light.

But Miss Frost, 37, who is also a grandmother, said the move is still subject to her approving the two-storey accommodation with its 355sq ft kitchen and dining area.

Neighbours say Frost currently lives with 14 people: all her eleven children, two grandchildren and her partner Jake, who they claim is also unemployed.

‘It’s being built especially for me,’ she said. ‘If I go there and I say to them I don’t like it or it’s too small, then they will just have to build me a bigger one, won’t they?’

Miss Frost says living in her current accommodation has been a nightmare. A minibus and two battered cars were parked on the lawn of the house yesterday.
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[Guinevere]

I don't want to hear another criticism about the US government, ever.

37 (younger than I am), 11 kids, and 1 grandchild. It boggles the mind. I wish I knew what to do with someone like her, but I'm pretty sure building her a million dollar home isn't the answer.

ETA: typos

[oldr_n_wsr]

What Guin said.

[Sue U]

Ditto.

[Crackpot]

Why would you edit to add typos?

[Sue U]

[Daisy]

Points to make here.

1) Local Authorities are OBLIGED by law to accommodate ALL families. Not all do, she is very lucky to live in an area that is currently investing in new social housing.

2) in the whole of the united kingdom there are only 119 families of this size that qualify for social housing.

3) You may have noticed that The Daily Mail loves to demonise the extreme ends of society, it's a scummy rag and deserves dousing in petrol and setting aflame.

Gob start reading the fucking Guardian ferchrissake!

[Gob]

Gob start reading the fucking Gruaniad ferchrissake!

Fixed.

MailOnline had earlier revealed that the family own a horse, despite Ms Frost claiming benefits for her 11 children. Yesterday 16-year-old Angel defended her mother saying that it is she who pays for the upkeep of the £200-a-month horse named Annie, but failed to explain where she gets the money

pssst! Daisy, it wasn't me that started this one..

[Guinevere]

Points to make here.

1) Local Authorities are OBLIGED by law to accommodate ALL families. Not all do, she is very lucky to live in an area that is currently investing in new social housing.

2) in the whole of the united kingdom there are only 119 families of this size that qualify for social housing.

3) You may have noticed that The Daily Mail loves to demonise the extreme ends of society, it's a scummy rag and deserves dousing in petrol and setting aflame.

Gob start reading the fucking Guardian ferchrissake!

1. Yup, I understand that, but building them a million dollar home doesn't seem like the best answer.

2. I'd expect there can't be more than 119 families of that size in the UK, period.

3. We have several of those same types of papers -- plus the entire Fox "news" network as well.

[Daisy]

1) in actual monetary terms this is costing the LA less than £250,000 - the land was free as it was already owned by the council - and the couple an their family will vacate their current home in two adjoining properties for other families to use. Do you suggest turning them out in the street??

2) There are fewer large families in the UK that can claim rights to social housing than our right wing tabloids would have anyone believe, there are lots more large families and extended families that live in privately owned housing and claim no help from the state.

3) It bugs the crap out of me the Right Wing Press demonising such a fucking insignificant few, when there are a damn site more avoiding paying taxes and corporations carouselling money around the world to avoid corporation tax (I am side eyeing you so fucking hard here Starbucks) in this country.

Leave this woman alone, she is so insignificant in the grand scheme of what is truly fucked in this country...g after the real cunts who avoid paying multiples of millions in taxes instead.

Edited to say soz to Gob ... but I blame you for introducing dales to the Daily Fail anyway xx

[Gob]

Edited to say soz to Gob ... but I blame you for introducing dales to the Daily Fail anyway xx

LOL!! Ok, guilty as charged...

[oldr_n_wsr]

Leave this woman alone, she is so insignificant in the grand scheme of what is truly fucked in this country...g after the real cunts who avoid paying multiples of millions in taxes instead.

I have to disagree a bit here. Yes, we (both govs) need to go after the big fish, but we also need to go after the small fish. I didn't start saving money with hundreds or thousands of dollars. I started with a few dollars a week. Then I increased and increased over the years. Started small and worked my way up. Any savings is a savings.

You say the land was free as the gov owned it already. Well they could have sold it nd made a profit offsetting the rest of the towns taxes. Instead they end of supporting this family. Now I don't know their circumstances as far as what they are able to work at, but I would think that someone (hopefully one or both parents) could go out and get a job and contribute to society rather than take from it.

[Guinevere]

1) in actual monetary terms this is costing the LA less than £250,000 - the land was free as it was already owned by the council - and the couple an their family will vacate their current home in two adjoining properties for other families to use. Do you suggest turning them out in the street??

2) There are fewer large families in the UK that can claim rights to social housing than our right wing tabloids would have anyone believe, there are lots more large families and extended families that live in privately owned housing and claim no help from the state.

3) It bugs the crap out of me the Right Wing Press demonising such a fucking insignificant few, when there are a damn site more avoiding paying taxes and corporations carouselling money around the world to avoid corporation tax (I am side eyeing you so fucking hard here Starbucks) in this country.

Leave this woman alone, she is so insignificant in the grand scheme of what is truly fucked in this country...g after the real cunts who avoid paying multiples of millions in taxes instead.

Edited to say soz to Gob ... but I blame you for introducing dales to the Daily Fail anyway xx

I don't think that's true regarding the cost Daisy. You also have to look at the opportunity cost of what else could have been done with the land, and how many other homes the council could have built with that same money. Plus, I never saw what was wrong with her other home? It looked like a bit of a wreck, but where does she have some personal responsibility for keeping it clean and not tearing it apart?

I'm not saying she shouldn't get support, but why does she get to live in a home larger and nicer and more spacious that homes anyone else the council is supporting. Does she get rewarded for having 11 kids? Something seems a bit out of whack to me there.

[Crackpot]

Not to the mention the concept that she has a Right to Refuse the home and get it redone.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Not to the mention the concept that she has a Right to Refuse the home and get it redone.

Might I propose a 12 man tent if she doesn't like what they built?

[Joe Guy]

The woman quite obviously feels she is entitled to government assistance and you can tell that she spends the money wisely by the color of her hair...

[Daisy]

I don't think that's true regarding the cost Daisy. You also have to look at the opportunity cost of what else could have been done with the land, and how many other homes the council could have built with that same money. Plus, I never saw what was wrong with her other home? It looked like a bit of a wreck, but where does she have some personal responsibility for keeping it clean and not tearing it apart?

I'm not saying she shouldn't get support, but why does she get to live in a home larger and nicer and more spacious that homes anyone else the council is supporting. Does she get rewarded for having 11 kids? Something seems a bit out of whack to me there.

The cost was stated by the leader of the council on the Radio 4 Today Programme on Wednesday, its not a one off home its part of a much larger development of social housing for the area. Costs of this building are proportionate to the other houses in the development. Remember that this is the cost to build the house, its not a house being built for profit.

Every person in the UK is entitled to social housing at the point of need (not all Authorities have the housing stock available since the "right to buy" thing began), regardless of the size of the family. Why should her children, born through no fault of their own be denied this?

Why does she get a larger house? Hmmmmmm, because there are 15 people living in there maybe?

It is still a complete strawman argument by the Right of Centre media to demonise the fewest poor in society.

[oldr_n_wsr]

Are they able to work?

[dales]

Why work when one is "guaranteed housing"?

[Daisy]

I reckon she's been on maternity leave for pretty much a decade. She has also spent the last 18 months being treated for Cervical Cancer... that never made it into the DM article did it?

Her partner did work until recently, I believe he was one of the many victims of the recession. The children's father/fathers who are absent and not supporting the children they were complicit in making deserve some wrath IMNSHO.

The children are now victims of the venom that is currently being poured out by people all over the place about their mother. THAT is the true disgrace in all of this.